Chamber and committees

Yes—I am sorry about that.

That was a helpful piece of information, convener. I am content to agree with the Scottish Government’s recommendation.

However, I was a bit alarmed by the letter that we received from the cabinet secretary, particularly the paragraph about the national air pollution control programme legislation, which is not included in this measure to retain EU law. The cabinet secretary says:

“this is the last opportunity to seek preservation of the air quality provisions through a UK SI. By choosing to omit these air quality provisions ... the UK Government is creating unnecessary uncertainty while it develops replacement ... proposals.”

She also says:

“Although the provisions fall within devolved competence in relation to air quality, it would not be possible to make a preservation SSI in relation to these provisions as they confer functions on the UK Secretary of State – and not Scottish Ministers”.

I am really concerned about this, because we are reaching a cliff edge on 31 October. The secretary of state could retain important EU laws that protect human health and our environment, yet it looks like those laws will not be retained. The UK Government and, indeed, the Scottish Government have the opportunity to work together on a replacement framework that would help protect human health and the environment, but there is no sign of that, so those important laws will go. It is not just parliamentarians who are raising those concerns—Environmental Standards Scotland and non-governmental organisations have raised them, too.

I am really concerned about that cliff edge. As we know, air pollution does not respect boundaries; it crosses them. Having a UK framework is important, as it is across Europe. Notwithstanding the fact that the committee has written to the UK and Scottish Governments, I am really concerned that this law looks like it is set to go on 31 October. We have, at this point, no understanding about what will be brought in to protect our human health and environment in the interim, however long that might be.

I will move on to hydrogen and the potential for green hydrogen. I recently met a hydrogen developer who talked about not just hard-to-abate sectors but hard-to-abate places. That got me thinking about whether the green industrial strategy will become more place-specific in identifying where the potential uses of hydrogen are and how we will get industrial decarbonisation in key sites. How much specificity will we have in the green industrial strategy that could perhaps help to build certainty for investment, or will the strategy have broader aspirations on green hydrogen, as something that is important and that has great potential, but without drilling down into where, when and how?

That would be good. Thank you.

Those are all the questions that I have right now.

My final question is about other sectors that are perhaps not highlighted in the draft energy strategy as much as some people would like, such as the solar, tidal and wave energy and battery sectors. What is your sense of whether we have the right balance of targets and market signals for each of those sectors? I will not say that they are all identical to onshore wind; they are at different stages of development and closeness to market. What is your sense of the drivers and targets that are needed? Could we start with solar and then go on to the tidal, wave and battery sectors?

Yes—it is a new social contract.

Thinking about infrastructure, you mentioned the 1989 act. The Winser report highlighted that there perhaps needs to be greater alignment across the UK in consenting processes. Is it possible for us to make progress on that in Scotland without further devolution of powers under the 1989 act, or are there reforms, particularly on infrastructure consenting, that we can bash on with?

Green hydrogen is important as well—

We are not alone; countries around the world are considering how to ensure that there is a just transition away from oil and gas and how to do that in a responsible way that meets current and future energy needs. A lot of the conversations in that space have involved the Beyond Oil & Gas Alliance. I think that the previous First Minister indicated that the Scottish Government would seek to join that conversation at some point and to be part of that alliance, which includes countries such as Wales, Ireland, Denmark, France and New Zealand. Where are things at in that regard? Do you know, through your role as cabinet secretary, where those international conversations are at? Will we be looking to join BOGA at an appropriate level in the months to come?

It would be useful if we could get specific feedback on the Beyond Oil & Gas Alliance and on whether—

I want to ask a bit more about the aspiration to halve the determination time for electricity generating stations. Is there anything more to say on that at this point, or will the detail of that—you mentioned guidance for local authorities—all be published as part of the onshore wind sector deal?