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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Will the exact balance of actions that the Government can take during the next five-year carbon budget be forthcoming in the climate change plan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

You have rejected regulation. There is now a heavy reliance on the UK Government making decisions about the wholesale price of electricity, and other stuff may or may not happen. Will all those policy options be spelled out transparently in the energy strategy and the climate change plan, so that we can see what the impact will be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

The emissions impact of the legislation.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Go ahead.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am reading the submission from the Institute for Public Policy Research in Scotland. It says that MSPs will have to decide to approve the carbon budgets

“effectively in ignorance of the policies they would then have to support in order to see the budgets delivered.”

The lack of information is concerning, and it perhaps plays to those, such as Mr Lumsden, who want to weaken ambition for the carbon budget, rather than people such as me, who want to strengthen that ambition.

No climate change plan—not even a draft one—has been submitted. We have only an incredibly thin indicative statement. The Government has rejected the advice of the UK Climate Change Committee on livestock and on peatlands, and policies on heat and on traffic reduction have been dropped. There is no energy strategy as yet. When it comes to Peterhead power station, there is uncertainty about the existing power station, let alone the prospect of a second one.

There are a lot of unknowns here and, quite frankly, I do not know whether this carbon budget is ambitious enough, because it lacks the transparency that successive committees of this Parliament have called for in advance of setting targets, objectives and aspirations around climate change. Although I will not vote against the budget, I find it very difficult to vote for it, because, without that detail, I do not know what it is that we are voting on at this point. I will therefore abstain.

12:30  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

We will be future proofing entry into those markets.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. I think that you are advising decarbonisation in non-residential buildings earlier than in residential buildings. Will you explain that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

I perhaps take a different view, convener. To me, the 6 per cent figure sounds pretty pitiful, to be honest. As someone who lives in a rural area, I could quite easily reduce my mileage by 6 per cent just by organising my day a little bit better, by joining up with other families when taking my kids to activities, for example.

I think that Eoin Devane is making a point about the real reduction coming from urban areas, but in the CCC’s advice, I do not see what the game changer could be if we are to significantly reduce vehicle mileage. For example, some cities in Europe have completely free public transport systems. If that is put in place and funded through congestion charges, could that result in a much greater reduction—say, 30 per cent—in vehicle mileage in urban areas? It could mean that there simply would be no point in driving any more if people are charged to drive but had a completely free, well-funded public transport system.

I feel that we are in a climate emergency. What is the game changer here? Many projects have been tried across Europe, and you have collated some of the best practice on that. However, none of this feels like the big, big shift that is needed. If we are sitting here debating a 6 per cent reduction—or one journey in every 20—that does not really feel to me like a shift in behaviour. I know that I am being provocative, but I am interested in finding out what the big ideas are that could really shift things fairly and in a way that actually benefits people.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Convener, can I move on to ask about heat?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

The closure of the Grangemouth refinery was regrettable for jobs and perhaps was a failure of the operators to put in place a just transition that was led by workers up front. Given that that is now happening, have you factored it into your budget calculations? There are other industrial plants that may close as well. For example, decisions may or may not be made about Peterhead, including the on-going continued operation of Peterhead 1 while Peterhead 2 is being built. What are you factoring into your budgets in terms of those proposed closures?