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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 February 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

What you mean is that there is not enough money in certain areas, rather than there being no money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

If the under-22s are subsidised on buses, that involves a cash transfer to the bus companies, which enables them to be more likely to run a service because more people will use it. The bus companies will get an allocation of funding for that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Politicians as victims?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

It has been an uphill struggle.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

More than 30 years ago, when I was a Glasgow city councillor, the council decided to consult on the closure of seven of its 36 secondary schools. After a very long consultation, the decision was taken—remarkably—to close those seven secondary schools. Rather than deciding to close five or six of them, or even to close different ones, the council decided to close those seven specific schools. The decision had already been made. The council went out to consultation, but there was really no intention of taking any cognisance of it. Of course, everybody who responded to the consultation said, “Please don’t shut my school”—blah, blah, blah.

There is an issue with consultation. I consider that “participation” is a better word than “consultation” if people are directly involved and participating in decision making. That example was from three decades ago, and a lot of cynicism has built up since then about how impactful consultation is. To many, it often seems to be a box‑ticking exercise.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I should say that three members of this committee are retiring. We do not know whether there will even be the same clerking team in the next session of Parliament. There will be fundamental changes to the committee, even if the remit stays the same. That is before we have an election—not all of us might get back in.

Do you want to respond to that, Ian Elliott?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I was going to come on to that particular issue, because I do not see directly elected conveners as being a solution whatsoever. For example, you might have 60 new MSPs. Will we even know who those folk are, by and large? People will know who their party colleagues are, of course, but how will we—those of us who are re-elected, if we get re-elected—know who to vote for? We need 16 conveners. After you have taken the ministers out, you will not have many people left who want to be a convener—I will not be a convener in the next Parliament if I am re-elected, for example—so you might have a pool of only 20 folk who are even interested in doing it, and you have to elect 16 conveners out of those. How do you avoid the party whip being used to say, “Okay, it’s a free vote, but we’d really like you to vote for Mr X or Ms Y”? I do not see that that will somehow be the magic bullet that improves committees.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I know what you mean. Labour is guaranteed two chairs and the SNP is guaranteed four or whatever, so the chairs have to be elected from that group.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

By “career path”, you mean “dead end”. It is not a career path, because it does not lead on to anything.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

There is also an issue about the degree to which the MSPs who come in after the election are risk averse.