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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

It looked odd to me when I saw a reference to 2024.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, to an extent. I am trying to understand whether you are fully staffed for the work that is required and whether you will have the additional staff complement that you require until the process is completed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2026 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. This is the committee’s last meeting before the Parliament’s dissolution ahead of the 7 May election. We have one public item on our agenda, which is to take evidence on the delivery of the McCloud remedy in Scotland from the Scottish Public Pensions Agency. We are joined by one of our colleagues, Oliver Mundell MSP.

Before we start the evidence session, I remind everyone that its purpose is not to raise individual cases or concerns but to consider wider issues such as progress with the delivery of the McCloud remedy; the systems, processes and approaches that the SPPA has taken; and matters relating to communication, governance, accountability and transparency.

I welcome to the meeting Dr Stephen Pathirana, chief executive officer; Christopher Nairns, chief operating officer; and Francess Graham, chief transformation officer. Good morning. I invite Dr Pathirana to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I will bring in Oliver Mundell. Oliver, welcome to the Finance and Public Administration Committee.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Can you just hold on a wee second? Michael Marra has a wee supplementary on this issue.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

We hope that we will not end up with a similar situation repeating itself in 10 years.

I have been looking at the detail that you have provided to us. You have used terms such as “immediate choice”, “active cohort” and “deferred choice”. As we discussed last time, you have talked about the different categories of case—simple, moderate and complex. Some take five to 10 minutes to process, but the complex ones involve up to 12 categories and take more than eight hours to process.

Given that the simple ones take five to 10 minutes, where are we now on ensuring that they are all delivered? One would have thought that they would be pretty easy to get off your desk, so to speak.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

There seemed to be a huge leap forward on police pensions in the first half of last year, but it seems to have trickled since then. That is of concern to the people who are in the 15 per cent who are yet to be sorted.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for your opening statement. I thank Dr Pathirana for agreeing to come back to the committee and for the very detailed correspondence that he has provided to the committee, which has provided answers to many of the questions that we felt had been unanswered at our last meeting. That was very helpful.

The committee has further questions. I will kick off by talking about the resources that are available to you to do the work that you have set out. I understand that the SPPA is expected to incur administration costs of around £20 million. As we discussed at the last meeting, you recruited 100 members of staff on temporary contracts to help with the remedy process. How temporary are the additional staff members? What kind of turnover have you experienced in the new cohort of staff?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Okay—fair enough. You also pointed out that there does not seem to be any ability to compare how the SPPA is working relative to other areas in the UK. Is that because the UK Government does not centralise the relevant information?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. An issue that I think that we have all heard from constituents, which you addressed in your letter to the committee, relates to why delivery for the police scheme is further ahead than the other schemes. In your evidence, you said:

“The data within the police scheme was generally in a better position than other schemes, this is mainly due to Police Scotland being a single employer which sends its data to us monthly. This differs for NHS and teachers where we receive their data return annually. Whilst we do also receive SFRS (fire) data monthly, we needed to receive backdated information from SFRS before being able to enable Remedy processing.”

Will you talk us through that point and, in particular, the issue that relates to firefighters? It seems strange that, although the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is also reporting its data monthly, there is a problem with that data that does not seem to arise in relation to Police Scotland.