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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

The demand for capital exceeds supply, so you must find it frustrating when, each year, there seem to be projects that are delayed to the extent that the capital budget is not fully spent. Should there not be more emphasis on shovel-ready projects, such as resurfacing roads, that could be done in the relatively short term, to avoid that situation?

I go back to my initial question, which is on an issue that the SFC also highlighted. How do we reduce the likelihood of cost overruns in procurement and delays, which sometimes last for years? It is not just a Scottish issue. We have a friend who is a quartermaster on HS2 who says that when it comes to getting things done, they have been told, “Just do things. Money is no limit,” and all that kind of stuff. Whether that is true, I cannot say, but there are real concerns about delivering things on time and on budget. We are not talking about delays of three to six months—sometimes, we are talking about years and huge cost overruns—so how do we keep that under control and ensure that we optimise the capital budget to put it to best effect?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

The rise seem to be inexorable. Are we really becoming a sicker society in such a short period of time? One could argue that there was a significant increase during Covid—I do not think that anyone would disagree with that—but Covid is now some years in the past. Of course we realise that it had an impact on the younger generation, but this is not just about younger people, is it? The data would not concern 28 per cent of those of working age if it was only about young people.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Although Germany is struggling just now.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

We are well over time, which is probably a good sign, rather than a bad sign. It is always good when the committee is interested in what the Scottish Fiscal Commission has to say—that is always the case, frankly. On behalf of the committee, I thank you very much for all that you have done over the past few years to inform us. You have had a very important role to play.

While we may all be in pastures new post-May, I am pretty sure that you will be back before our successor committee. Thank you very much. It is important to have continuity, and I know that the Scottish Fiscal Commission will continue to provide that.

10:44

Meeting suspended.

10:51

On resuming—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Come back to that? We have just started the session.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Peter, we have so much confidence in you.

11:00

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Are there skills gaps? When I speak to people from businesses, they say that there are specific skill shortages, such as in welding. A steel fabricator in my constituency is taking people who have been long-term unemployed and putting them through a 15-week advanced welding course with qualifications. They tend to be people in their late 20s and 30s, or even older people. Although there might be a number of people in construction, are there gaps where there are particular difficulties?

Geographically, do we have the people where we need them? Obviously, there is not a huge workforce in rural Perthshire, for example, to work on the A9. They all have to move there, at least temporarily. How do we deal with those issues in the pipeline of provision?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

But when you have gone out to a full consultation and there are no statutory objectors and so on, and people are encouraged to think that something is going to happen but it does not happen year on year, the public, who ultimately pay for it, feel let down and disappointed. I would not be surprised if the cost of all that for the A737 project, since 2004, is more than the cost of the project itself, which was £12 million, which is pretty modest, I would suggest.

There seems to be much more bureaucracy, for want of a better word, in relation to the preparation of projects, which ultimately increases the cost and the delay to the delivery that everyone wants to see, whether it is housing, a school, a hospital, a road or whatever it happens to be. That is what is frustrating. You will have seen how many umpteen times the A9 or whatever has been raised in the Parliament, and that is because members genuinely want to see things happen on the ground.

How can we expedite that process? I am not talking about doing it in a week, but 10 or 20 years is a bit frustrating. There is a huge cost to that, so how can we make procurement more efficient and effective?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Yes. How do we get more bang for the buck? Procurement costs are disproportionately higher in the UK, including Scotland, than they are in other countries—clearly they are. I went to the Faroe Islands and looked at the cost of their tunnels. They built a 22km tunnel for €600 million. How much would it cost to build that here—how many billions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed—of course it is.