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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
Unless our witnesses have any further points that they wish to add on any area that they feel that we have not covered effectively, we will end on that positive note. Thank you for your evidence, which has been fascinating. I also thank members for their questions.
Without further ado, I close the meeting.
Meeting closed at 12:59.Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
I find that, on something negative, there is often a large turnout at meetings but, for day-to-day things, a very small number of people in a community will be involved, and it is arguable whether they are representative. Do they produce things such as newsletters and updates to let people know what they are doing? How effective are they? The variance across Scotland is monumental. Some people will be first class and some less so. If we are serious about community empowerment, how do we deliver that and who do we deliver it to?
Professor Mitchell or Stephen Boyle might like to comment on that. You do not have to, but you can if you wish. Are you going to take the fifth amendment on this one, Jim?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you very much. I should also say that Ross Greer is unable to attend the meeting in person this morning, due to a Covid outbreak in his family, but I am pleased to say that he is joining us remotely.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
Under item 3 we will take evidence from Stephen Boyle, Auditor General for Scotland, Professor James Mitchell, University of Edinburgh, and Professor Graeme Roy, University of Glasgow. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.
Members have received a paper from the clerks setting out background information, along with written briefings from two of our witnesses, Professor Roy and Stephen Boyle. Before I open up to questions from the committee, I invite each witness to make a short opening statement. I would like Professor Mitchell to go first, because he has not provided a written statement. [Laughter.] That, by the way, was not in the script.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
You talked about the political will and, in his submission, Professor Roy said:
“There are huge institutional, practical, and political constraints in public service delivery.”
Is the issue that political parties fear the electoral consequences of such radical changes, is it to do with vested interests in the public sector or is it perhaps a combination of those issues? If you were to start the ball rolling from where we are at this time, where would the number 1 bottleneck be? I would like all the witnesses to answer that question.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you very much for that very interesting opening statement. We talked in private session about the spring budget revision. Will that be coming out in January or February? Do we have any indicative dates in that respect?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you for your opening statements. The esteemed Professor James Mitchell asked:
“if we are all agreed, why has it not happened?”
Why do you think?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you. A number of members are keen to come in. The deputy convener will be first.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
I have a couple of other questions before I open it up. Forty million pounds has been allocated as a general revenue grant for local authorities. Is that for anything specific, or is it just to oil the wheels of local authorities by giving them additional money to spend as they see fit?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2021
Kenneth Gibson
It seems that there are no further questions from committee members, so I will ask one or two more, if I may.
Some considerable changes have been made to the net zero and transport budget, but there is not a lot of detail. For example, on rail services, page 66 of the budget revision document just says,
“Additional funding to support rail services”,
for which it shows £77.3 million. We also see increases for buses, airports and light rail, but the percentages vary significantly. For example, rail gets 5.3 per cent, buses get 1.2 per cent, Highland and Island Airports gets 8.1 per cent, and light rail gets 4 per cent. What is the reasoning behind those differences? What detail can you give on additional funding to support rail services, for example?