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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have probably heard, then, of a Professor Mairi Spowage, who says in her submission:

“Given that around half of Scottish Government current spending is on pay, any long-term-focused document that does not have a specific view on the size of employment and rate of growth in payroll over a number of years cannot be regarded as credible.”

What is your view of the 3 per cent figure? Is it credible?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 13th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee.

We continue our inquiry into the Scottish budget process in practice. Today, we will take evidence from two panels of witnesses.

First, I warmly welcome to the meeting, from the Office for Budget Responsibility, Tom Josephs, who is a member of the budget responsibility committee, and Laura Gardiner, who is the acting chief of staff. We have your written submissions, so we will move straight to questions from the committee. I will start by asking about transparency.

You have said that you have

“taken several steps that aim to specifically improve transparency around our role in the Scottish Government Budget process.”

You touch on some of those steps in your paper, but could you elaborate on those for the record, please?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Maybe the Government will produce a strategy document to bring together all the strategy documents.

David, we asked the OBR about the fact that the UK spending review will be a comprehensive, zero-based review. What are the implications of that for Scotland? Incidentally, we looked at that when we were in Estonia and we found it quite a fascinating approach. Rather than just go on the way we have always gone, let us look at things from the bottom up and at what is really essential—what should be prioritised and so on. Obviously, you know how it all hangs together, but do you think that Scotland could benefit from such an approach?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for answering our questions. We will have a wee five-minute break and then reconvene for the next round.

10:56 Meeting suspended.  

11:03 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank you all for your contributions this morning, which have been very helpful.

12:00 Meeting continued in private until 12:25.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The issue is that you can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. As the OECD has pointed out, there are also issues due to the shortage of financial journalists who would want to take on board a lot of what you have been saying. The situation in our islands is completely different; you have discussed the comparisons in detail.

What you do with the resources that you have is excellent—I am happy to put that on the record again.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, indeed, because it is a 2023-24 report. I appreciate that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do think that you should put the heating on in winter. Working with candles is not as effective as working with electricity. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

So, you feel that this is deliverable.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That seems to be a habit of Governments. We heard that the OBR has been in the same situation due to the lateness of figures for the spring statement, so it is clearly an issue that has to be addressed.