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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I always think that, for long-term projects—city region deals being an obvious example of projects with a long development period—a spending review never happens next week, next month or even next year. It always seems to be kicked down the road—there is always that worry as well.

I will open up the session to questions. Michael Marra will start, to be followed by Liz Smith.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

When we discussed that issue during budget deliberations, we said that, because of in-grade rises, promotions and so on, 3 per cent really looked like being more like 4.5 per cent, but that is not being budgeted for.

I am jumping about a bit, because I do not want to take up too much time, given that other colleagues will want to come in. However, I want to cover a number of bases that others will want to touch on. I am not going to mention AI—David Bell’s report is laced with it—because I know that a certain individual will probably want to come in on that.

Professor Spowage, you talked about the MTFS earlier and you said that it appears to have

“the trappings of a strategic document but lacks a lot of detail that would be required for it to be a useful set of forecasts. There is no detail on how the spending projections are arrived at, and therefore it is impossible to scrutinise the priority of each and how realistic they are.”

You have also said that it has largely been “abandoned”.

Added to that, you talked about the fiscal sustainability delivery plan, and you said:

“It’s unclear why a different document is needed.”

I do not think you are the only person to have said that. The SFC has said something similar. Why do you think it has produced a separate document?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. I note that, on your website, you also have a transcript of your dealings with this committee, so members had better behave.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What can we do to try to improve things? What can we do to ensure that committees have greater influence on the Government’s budgetary deliberations? Those questions are for both of you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We really appreciate the OBR taking the time and trouble to come up to Edinburgh. It is one of the highlights of our year, so I thank you very much and we hope to see you again.

I will call a five-minute break before we hear from our next witnesses.

10:47 Meeting suspended.  

10:53 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

For the second part of today’s evidence session on the Scottish budget, I welcome Professor Mairi Spowage, director of the Fraser of Allander Institute, and Professor David Bell, a professor of economics at the University of Stirling.

As with the previous panel, we will move straight to questions, the first of which is about your magnificent report, David. It covers so many bases that we will probably keep you here until it gets dark, which is your own fault for including so much good-quality information.

Regarding the influence and formulation of Scottish Government budget proposals, you say that

“The consensus from the responses to this inquiry is that external influence on the Scottish Government’s budget process is limited”

and that

“The year-round approach is problematic, given other pressure on committees.”

I know that you have looked into a number of committees in some detail. Based on your analysis, is that because of a lack of time, because the budget process is not a priority for those committees or because they feel that the work that they would do would not have an impact on Scottish Government policy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How can that lag be reduced? After all, 18 months is a long time in the business that you are in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Obviously, there is a lag in the Scottish outturn data. Given that these improvements were brought in in 2022, we will probably see more progress in that respect as the years pass, but how does that lag compare with what we see in the rest of the UK?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. My colleagues and I appreciate your time, the quality of your evidence and the work that you put into it.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. We will have a two-minute break to allow the witnesses to leave the room.

12:35 Meeting continued in private until 12:49.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is scandalous.[Laughter.]