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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I have another couple of questions.

Last week, Professor David Bell said that further improvements can be made, including to provide clarity around regular in-year transfers in the Scottish budget. When we look at the spring and autumn revisions, my colleagues and I often raise the issue that, every year, we get the same transfer of resources from one budget line to another. We have speculated about the reason for that, but what is your view?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Natalist policies have increased the birth rate in Denmark, but not to replacement level. The only developed countries with birth rates above replacement level are the Faroes and Israel, as far as I am aware. Incidentally, Hungary has said that any woman who has two children before the age of 30 will not have to pay tax for the rest of her life. Who knows whether that will have an impact?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from Michael Marra, who will not be attending the committee this morning. Ross Greer will participate, but he will not arrive before 10:15, so unfortunately he might not participate in this item.

The first item on our agenda is an evidence session on the Scottish budget process in practice. We are joined this morning by Stephen Boyle, Auditor General for Scotland, and Fiona Diggle, audit manager at Audit Scotland. I welcome you both to the meeting and I invite the Auditor General to make a brief opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I think that everybody wants the populace to be more engaged. We would like, on occasion, the people who gather in the public gallery at meetings of this committee to be more than just the people who will be giving evidence next or a couple of students who wander in and, five minutes later, decide to wander out again. We would all like more engagement, but it is about being realistic, practical and pragmatic.

The first group of people who need to be au fait with all the documents are probably elected representatives in this Parliament, in the UK Parliament and in local authorities, as well as the people in the third sector who deal with these issues. Sometimes, it can be quite unrealistic to talk about public buy-in, because people have priorities other than to look through a 140-page draft budget document and a 90-page sustainability document. Life really is too short for most people to do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In what way? How can you make the budget document more accessible?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is just an empty statement, is it not? It means nothing unless the recommendations say what the languages are, how many there should be and what the cost implications would be. I find it frustrating when I read things like that, to be honest. It is almost a throwaway line rather than a serious policy intent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Are they relatively small steps? It may be that only half a dozen people would read the document in those languages, and it would cost a huge amount—probably thousands of pounds—to translate it into one other language, never mind more. Do we know many languages are being proposed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Is that because of the Government’s approach to public sector pay? For example, this morning, the UK Government made it crystal clear that it will not increase its pay offer of an increase of 2.8 per cent to public sector workers. The UK Government has also taken a very strong line in response to the Birmingham strike that has been in the headlines for a number of weeks.

The Scottish Government set out an increase of 3 per cent a year for three years, but, because of what has happened in previous years, it seems like the trade unions are looking at that as a floor from which to negotiate. If that proves to be the case and we end up with rises above that—Scotland already pays on average £2,300 more per year for public sector workers than the UK does for their equivalents down south—is there a possibility that we could end up with yet another emergency statement in the autumn?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Let us go back to the issue of productivity. Paragraph 4.34 talks about the increase in expenditure. It says:

“Despite increased funding and staffing levels and initiatives to improve productivity and outcomes for patients, these are not yet making progress.”

Is there progress in Scotland in any area? For example, health boards that are struggling could look to other health boards in Scotland or, indeed, those outwith Scotland to see what they are doing well and how they can exchange best practice and take things forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

To well over 270 per cent, according to—