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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am tempted to comment on that. I think that a lot of these issues are raised by members in members’ business debates and in the chamber, and ministers are put under pressure in any case. After all, inquiries are not just decided; there tends to be a build-up of pressure, with a lot of public angst, media inquiries and so on. Your point is well made, though, and it is certainly one that we will consider.

Thank you very much, Mr McGuire. Again, we greatly appreciate your taking the time to come along and give evidence—it is a really important part of the work that we are carrying out. I should say that we will continue to take evidence for the inquiry over the rest of this month and into the next, and we will be reporting on our findings not in five years, but in December.

Meeting closed at 12:14.  

 

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In your submission, you say that the Treasury’s apparent reluctance to underwrite the additional funds essential for a UK-wide scheme

“leaves the Scottish Government with few options other than replicating the levy approach adopted in England and Wales.”

Your mentioned a progressive scheme. I note that, from my reading of the bill—this is our first public evidence session on it—it is already looking quite complex. In your submission, you say that

“a complex scheme could increase the risk of unintentional non-compliance”

as well as the cost of administration. How do you square that circle in relation to trying to make it somewhat more progressive while, at the same time, not making it too complex?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Your submission goes on to say:

“if implemented correctly, the levy can contribute toward a market incentive for better quality building work, reducing the need for future remediation and giving buyers greater confidence in safety standards.”

That is what we want to achieve. However, given that the levy would add, for argument’s sake, £3,000 to the price of a house, would some builders not try to cut corners further so that they do not have to pass the cost on to customers? Could a levy have the opposite effect?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I completely agree with you, but there is an issue with the scrutiny. Someone—the clerk of works, or whoever—has to check that the work has been implemented to the correct standard.

Two years down the line from a development in my constituency—I will not say which one—being fully occupied, we suddenly found out that the sewerage system had not been installed to the required standard, which is causing issues, as you can imagine. It is not just about having the regulations but about ensuring that they are fully implemented.

Mr Drummond, you said:

“Firstly, Scotland needs to preserve and build upon its existing public sector building control system. Secondly, procurement must be very substantially improved to ensure higher quality in construction.”

How do we do that? Do we have the people with the skills to do that? Is that quality out there? What lead time did you have in mind for implementing that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We could talk about a number of other points, but all five of my colleagues around the table are keen to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That was a helpful comment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

They might set out terms of reference. Police Scotland is not here today; we invited them, but they declined, unfortunately. That is one of the reasons why we are so pleased that you accepted our invitation. I mean that sincerely. It is important that we have one of the legal firms that are involved in the matter here. I really appreciate your evidence today, and I know that my colleagues do as well.

I am speculating on what Police Scotland is suggesting, but I think that it is along the lines of saying “These are the terms of reference, and over the next six to 12 weeks, this is what we are going to do straight off to try to make things better”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is no wonder, John, that you want to spend so much of your time in a tent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee.

Agenda item 1 is an evidence session with the Minister for Public Finance in relation to three draft affirmative instruments on administration of the Scottish aggregates tax. I intend to allow around 20 minutes for this evidence session.

The minister is joined today by two officials: James Lindsay, tax design lead, Revenue Scotland; and Jonathan Waite, aggregates tax bill team leader, Scottish Government. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

As no member on the committee has any questions, we move to item 2, which is formal consideration of the motions on the instruments.

Motions moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Scottish Aggregates Tax (Administration) Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Act (Postponement of Tax Pending a Review or Appeal) Amendment Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Act (Record Keeping) Amendment Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Ivan McKee]

Motions agreed to.