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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The point is, though, that the Sheku Bayoh inquiry, as Michael Marra pointed out, covers only a small number of people in one town and a certain incident, whereas the Scottish Covid inquiry covers a lot of people—the whole of Scotland—but so far the latter is still less expensive than the former. I make that point with regard to the purpose of the work that we are doing as a committee.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

From the figures that I have seen, the cost of the Sheku Bayoh inquiry is over £51 million and rising. Even if it was £10 million, that would still, to me, seem like an awful lot of money for one specific incident in comparison with the complexity of Covid—although, even if we consider the Covid inquiry in that context, we might note that the Swedish Covid inquiry cost less than £2 million and took only a few months. The people of Sweden appear to be content with their inquiry, which concluded four years ago, and they are certainly more content with how Covid was handled.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That concludes questions from my colleagues. I will finish with one or two questions.

One subject that we have not touched on is consultants. When the Scottish Parliament information centre initially provided us with details of the costs of public inquiries over the past decade, we were advised that 10 per cent of the amount was spent on consultants. However, despite asking numerous witnesses and SPICe itself, we were unable to find out what that 10 per cent actually consists of.

I see that Don McGillivray is shaking his head. I wonder whether he has some information on what that is all about.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The reason why I asked the question is that it is obviously a significant part of the £258.8 million overall cost, and it has been a bit frustrating trying to find out the detail of that over the past six months.

I turn to another issue that we have. We talked about judges, and you have referred to a sense of injustice, inquiries shining a light and so on. However, we have to remember that—as I mentioned earlier—if we have judge-led inquiries and those judges are not dealing with ordinary trials, it is the people involved in those trials for whom justice is probably being denied or delayed.

From what I can see, that issue has not been considered adequately. If the Scottish Government continues to appoint judges, even if it says that that is not necessarily the route that always has to be taken, surely that just reinforces the view that is conveyed to the public by the media and others that only a judge-led inquiry is valid. It is reinforcing an approach that is more expensive and time consuming.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What about lawyers going on television to demand the extension or establishment of inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Michelle Thomson wants to make a final point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 32nd meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have one public item on our agenda today, which is our final evidence session on the cost-effectiveness of public inquiries.

We are joined by Kate Forbes, MSP, Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic, and Donald McGillivray, director of safer communities. Just arriving are Emma Thomson, solicitor at the Scottish Government legal directorate, and Marion McCormack from civil courts, justice transformation and inquiries.

I welcome you all to the meeting, and invite the Deputy First Minister to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We are talking about UK legislation, so how much room for manoeuvre does the Scottish Government have on such issues?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I appreciate that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The police are representing the public. It is the public purse. It is not their money; it is our money.