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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I would consider them all to be infrastructure, to be honest. Maintenance is a really important issue, as is house building, and record investment is going in there. What you are doing in construction is also vital—they are all vital, obviously.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

We have a good roofer fae Cumnock.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that—it is very helpful.

Peter, you are not a big fan of the mutual investment model, are you? In 2019, the Scottish Futures Trust, in its options appraisal paper, found that the mutual investment model was significantly more expensive, at

“2.6 to 3.3 times the construction cost over the 25 years of the asset.”

I know that that model has been rejected for the A9. The SFT said that

“This compares with 1.9 to 2.6 times the construction cost if financed using public borrowing”,

and noted that an

“asset funded using capital grant, and … maintained to the same standard over 25 years is estimated to be 1.5 times the construction cost.”

Would you reject the mutual investment model, or are there any specific circumstances in which you feel that it is the only game in town? To be honest, for me, there are shades of public-private partnerships and private finance initiatives.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Is it most of them, or is it a teensy-weensy number? We do not want a situation whereby it is almost accepted that projects will overrun and be over budget. If something has a budget and a delivery date, it should be completed by that date. I remember that some projects in the private sector, at least—and, I imagine, in the public sector, although I am not an expert on procurement—would have penalty clauses if they were not delivered on time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Ian?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I want a eulogy in case I do not come back. Unlike those folk, I have to go in front of the voters, along with Michael Marra and Patrick Harvie.

Anyway, thank you very much for that opening statement. It is actually very helpful. There are a number of issues that you did not touch on; for obvious reasons, I will probably move to those first. For example, in paragraph 1.23 in your report, you said in reference to the thresholds at which tax is paid that

“the divergence in the thresholds has led to the number of higher rate taxpayers in Scotland becoming larger, and rising faster than in the rest of the UK.”

You go on to talk about how, just a few short years ago, people working in the Scottish public sector were paid, on average, £400 a year more than people in the public sector down south. They are now paid £1,500 more, on average. Is that having an impact in terms of the number of people who are moving into the higher bands? They are getting paid more, but are they moving into a higher rate of tax at the same time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, there is.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

In one of your Scottish Parliament information centre seminar presentations, which covered the long-term impact of climate change, you said that the UK cannot reach its climate goals unless Scotland reaches them because of the disproportionate amount of work that needs to be done on, for example, peatland restoration. Is that factor being taken into consideration?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

That was not the case with the Forth road bridge project, so it is not inevitable.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that response. I have just two more questions. In paragraph 3.41, you stated that spending on the Scottish child payment will be £552 million by 2030-31, which will be an increase. Given that the birth rate is at a record low level, one might have expected that sum to fall, unless poverty is expected to rise. Why is the sum going up?