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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Those are independent countries—they are not sub-state legislatures like us, so they are not in the same position. Much of the budget process that we have to work under is decided elsewhere. We have a kind of ball and chain round our ankles in some areas. That is why I am thinking of Bavaria or California, for example, which are more equivalent to Scotland, rather than New Zealand, Argentina or Germany.

10:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It would have to be relevant. The UK will have its own budget, which will have a considerable impact on what the Scottish Government will have in its own draft budget. How valuable would a pre-budget statement be in that situation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How early should the pre-budget statement be made?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Both Johns want to come in. I call John Mason, to be followed by John Wood.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I will turn to public engagement and bring in Alison Hosie and Carmen Martine, because there is quite a lot in both of your papers on that issue. Alison, you say:

“Public engagement in the budget process is growing, but significant barriers remain. Current efforts tend to focus more on consultation than genuine co-production ... Targeted outreach to marginalised communities is also vital, as these groups are often underrepresented in budget discussions.”

Can you tell us how that would work? You talk about

“a co-development model—one in which communities, civil society, and Parliament are meaningfully involved in shaping fiscal priorities before decisions are finalised.”

How would that work within the white heat of the budget process that we operate under at the moment?

11:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

All members of the committee are keen for better outcomes to be achieved, regardless of which area we are looking at. We all want to see better outcomes for the money that is invested, and anything that can help to deliver that will be very welcome.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. I suppose that it is like football in that you do not necessarily judge a team on one match. However, if there is a league table of countries—or of devolved Parliaments or sub-state legislatures—where would Scotland be, and who would be at the top?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have raised concerns that, for example, the Scottish Government is still insisting on maintaining a level of teacher numbers, which COSLA does not think is necessary. Is that a cause of continued tension? Where are we with those discussions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is fine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is not the final point that you want to make, is it, Dave?