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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
That was a nice cheery comment. [Laughter.]
11:15Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
There is a cut of about 10 per cent for the coming financial year.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
I am going to conclude by allowing witnesses to make one final comment on any issue that they feel we have not touched on but should have, or on something else that they want to reinforce with regard to what has been said.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
Ruth Boyle, John Mason is saying that we should cut back on some areas of expenditure. What areas would you suggest?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
Parity of esteem is really important and I certainly endorse your comments on that. When you gave evidence two years ago, John Mason pointed out that Glasgow University had cash assets of, I think, £770 million. Of course, you pointed out that not all universities were as well off as Glasgow was at that time. I do not know whether it is still as well off—John Mason has probably got a better grip on those accounts than I have. Surely, the university sector, at least in Glasgow, has plenty of money to invest, without seeking additional resources from a public sector, which, as we have heard, is already constrained.
12:15Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
Who do you want to answer that?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
It is helpful to an extent, because it helps us to focus. A number of people, including the economists who were here before, have talked about three-year or five-year funding. The Scottish Government is not funded beyond year to year, but there is still the question whether we should plan. I was on the Social Justice Committee during the 1999 to 2003 parliamentary session. We produced a detailed report on why we should do exactly what you have suggested and, 20-odd years later, we are still taking about it. It is a fundamental point, although you have not put pounds, shillings and pence on it.
Ruth, you have some statistical analysis in your report and you have produced some wonderful graphs. Talk us through, in a few short minutes, exactly what additional resources we should provide, Given all the caveats about wealth tax—that it cannot be implemented for the next financial year and so on, according to the economists—what can we do in the next year in order to deliver the agenda that you, the IPPR and others would like?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
The last person to comment will be Adam Stachura. Each of our guests will then have one minute to wind up and to mention anything that has not been covered so far.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
Judith, you have a minute or so to wind up.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 19 September 2023
Kenneth Gibson
There are a couple of points there. First, the suggestion not to lower the bus pass age from 65 to 60 came not from me but from Callum Chomczuk, who was then at Age Scotland, during the 2011 to 2016 parliamentary session. He said that the money saved should be spent on adaptations for older people. I thought that what Age Scotland had to say at that time was very brave. So many people come here—I am not mentioning any names or looking at anyone specifically—and say that we should spend more money on this, but they do not say how we can save money on that. We as a committee and the Scottish Government have to look at that. John Swinney then said that he was not going to reduce the bus pass age from 65 to 60 but would increase the disabled adaptations budget by 25 per cent. So, there was a big win there for Age Scotland.
You touched on people having to sell their homes, not just because of the wealth tax but to go into a residential care home. That affected my mother and many other people. I was speaking to a leading economist, who has a good relationship with this committee, and he said that two of his aunties said, “You know what? Rather than go into a care home and see the house getting sold, we will just go on a world cruise for the next couple of years and spend the money that way.” That was not a flippant remark; that is what they did. There are some people who, of course, are not able to save up and buy a house, and they do not have an asset to sell. People who feel that they have an asset that they might want to pass on, at least in part, to their children are unable to do so. There is a real issue about the fairness of that.
One of the things that people talk about is fairness. I do not know whether anyone wants to define it for me. Fairness for one person is, perhaps, fairness for another. Anyway, I am starting to wander off as well. The next person to comment will be Judith Turbyne, to be followed by Michael Kellet.