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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 January 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Let us move on. Technical adjustments increased the budget by £246.8 million. Will you talk us through what those technical adjustments are and what that really means?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I understand that. Of today’s six witnesses, Hazel Johnson is the only one whose submission has been supportive of the levy. The submissions from the other five witnesses are not supportive. What is your view on who should pay for the work that needs to be done? We have heard it suggested that everyone from architects to manufacturers to companies that were involved in previous construction should pay. I do not know whether the cladding was manufactured in Scotland, China or Germany, so I do not imagine that that would be a big source of potential income.

Who else could the Government raise the levy from? We are talking about spending £200 million a year, but it will cost £3.1 billion to remediate cladding in Scotland. The proposed tax is aimed at only 15 per cent of that. It will go some way towards raising funds, but who else should the required funding be raised from? Others can answer that question as well.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

But hold on—you are talking about £141.9 million, not about £5 million or £10 million here or there. I have looked at the figures over a number of years, and the volatility only ever seems to go one way. It is never overestimated; it always seems to be underestimated. That is a huge amount of money. Surely, the Government must know roughly how many people are going to retire next year, yet it underestimates pensions by £141.9 million for the NHS and teachers alone.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank you all for your invaluable evidence today. It will be a heavy shift for the minister when he gives evidence to us next week, along with Revenue Scotland.

Meeting closed at 12:59.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

But many developers set up single-purpose vehicles—in other words, subsidiaries of the main company—so that when things go a bit awry with a development, the main company has no liability. I have experienced that situation with a number of developments in my constituency, so there will be a myriad of examples across Scotland and the rest of the UK. How likely is it that we will be able to pursue some of the companies that are responsible on a polluter-pays basis? They could simply rename and restructure the company so that it is not the same company that did the stuff that we are all upset about.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If the council does not put in place a bond, the developer can just scarper and the council will be left facing those costs. That has happened with at least two developments in my constituency, and I know that it has happened in other places. If everyone behaved according to the rules, things would be fine, but that is the issue that the Government faces, which is why it is proposing an up-front levy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The first item on our agenda is an evidence session with the Minister for Public Finance on the Budget (Scotland) Act 2025 Amendment Regulations 2025. The minister is joined by Scottish Government officials Claire Hughes, head of corporate reporting, and Craig Maidment, senior finance manager. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Hazel, in your submission, you said:

“BEFS wishes to highlight its position that not enough action is being taken in policy and practice to promote the productive reuse of vacant and derelict buildings and brownfield land, including for housing.”

Would the proposed levy be a stimulus for that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Over the years, the committee has pushed for that, and I am pleased to say that there have been some changes in that regard.

Colleagues are keen to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We continue our evidence taking on the Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Hazel Johnson, director of Built Environment Forum Scotland; Anna Gardiner, senior policy adviser at Scottish Land & Estates; and Josie Sclater, senior policy officer at the Scottish Property Federation. Thank you, everyone, for your written submissions.

I refer people to my entry in the register of members’ interests.

As with the previous panel, we have approximately an hour for this evidence session, so I will move straight to questions.

Hazel, your submission is somewhat different from everyone else’s, as you say:

“An appropriate levy on future residential builds is a logical route for setting foundations to protect people from this situation, in which defects are discovered years or decades after construction, but public bodies, owners and other stakeholders do not have access to the level of resources required to deal with them.”