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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes. One would think that we should also learn lessons from other jurisdictions. Similar issues happen in other places at other times, and one would think that looking at what is happening elsewhere might be better than starting afresh on every occasion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from Ross Greer.

The first item on our agenda is to take evidence from the Scottish Government on the Scottish budget process in practice. I welcome Shona Robison, Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, who is joined by Scottish Government officials Alasdair Black, deputy director, budget and fiscal co-ordination; and Jamie MacDougall, deputy director, spending and pay strategy. I intend to allow around 90 minutes for this session. Before I open up the discussion, I invite Ms Robison to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not think that it is paused; I do not think that the Estonian Government shuts down for a month while it is doing that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Again, we are kind of drifting—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do I personally feel that it would help? No, not particularly. I do not think that it would help, but others may have another perspective on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How would you suggest we do that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I must say that you are making a lot of my colleagues nervous with the continued use of the word “reform”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is what I was going to suggest. The other issue, of course, is that the Government has said that it will agree to the committee’s request for a fiscal sustainability debate every year, so that we can look to long-term planning.

I want to ask Carmen Martinez about the medium-term financial strategy. You say in your submission:

“We are not aware of the MTFS being used regularly by the committees. Ideally, it should help them identify any risks that could be in the way of achieving their portfolios’ policy objectives.”

You go on to say:

“The MTFS should encourage committees to think beyond the immediate, current political term, to debate how to plan for the policy challenges facing Scotland.”

One of the concerns that we have with committees is that they are overwhelmed with work as it is and, frankly, they are leaving the Finance and Public Administration Committee to do most of the heavy lifting on scrutiny. We should be doing a big chunk of the heavy lifting, but I do not think they are putting in the shift that they perhaps should in this area. How can we move that along with committees?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Alison Hosie, you say in your submission:

“Several barriers continue to limit the effectiveness of the budget process. One ... issue is the timing of engagement, which often occurs too late to allow for meaningful external contributions. By the time consultations take place, key decisions have already been made”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We try to pick up some of the areas where money is unspent in our scrutiny of the autumn and spring budget revisions, and the fact is that it tends not to be unspent; it tends to be transferred to other portfolios where there is much more pressure.

I would also note that, in 2011, the Government provided £500 million over three years for preventative spend but one of the issues and difficulties that we came up against was that there seemed to be no disinvestment in areas where expenditure had been less effective. People were obstinately spending money where they were not getting any return or any of the outcomes that one would have expected, so such approaches tended not to continue. I should say that John Mason has been messianic about preventative spend for many years—haven’t you, John?—and the committee supports its use wherever it can be implemented.

Did you want to comment, Carmen?