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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Is there any area where you, as a local authority, have learned from other local authorities, and is there any area where other local authorities have learned from some of the good work that you are doing in Fife?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

It is not just about people being given awards; it is about how other local authorities have looked at those awards and said, “That is something that we want to adopt in our local authority.” We are keen to see how that has worked in a practical sense.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I thank Tim Kendrick and Mirren Kelly for their evidence today and their responses to our questions.

I will now call a 10-minute break. We will start the round-table session on schedule at 11 o’clock.

10:50 Meeting suspended.  

11:01 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

We have moved on to a subject that I was about to touch on, and which everyone touched on in their submissions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

You say:

“We believe there is scope for funding to be more closely aligned to the national outcomes, and we would welcome the opportunity for discussion about how this could be taken forward appropriately.”

I am giving you the opportunity to do just that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

You say:

“Our manifesto calls for five-year funding timescales and we believe this stability would allow third sector organisations to be truly creative, ambitious and impactful.”

I think that it would, but the Scottish Parliament does not have a five-year funding arrangement, so it is very difficult for the Scottish Parliament to deliver that. Two and a half years ago, we would not have anticipated a pandemic, the war in Ukraine, and so on. There are always imponderables that can arise. The issue is in trying to have that stability when it is difficult to anticipate what lies further ahead and budgets are not made available so far ahead.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I agree with that, but I am looking at this from a ministerial point of view. I know that some local authorities will say, “Look—we do not need additional teachers. What we need is a peripatetic higher biology teacher for the six kids in each school doing advanced highers in sixth year. It seems daft to have an extra teacher to cover that in each school, so we will just have one.” However, the headline in the media is still the reduction in teacher numbers or whatever. The political imperative, if you like, is what the public see and, in that example, what the public are seeing is fewer teachers in their area, not an improvement in the delivery of advanced higher in biology. That is the absolute nub of this. Ministers would really like to give local government more flexibility—and, of course, local government would like more flexibility, too—but they are perhaps concerned that politics gets in the way of delivering on these outcomes. That is what I am suggesting. How do we square that circle with a hostile media?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Here is a man who will say it once: Douglas.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

We talked about decluttering with the previous witnesses.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Absolutely.