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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

That has exhausted our questions.

Item 2 is formal consideration of the motion on the instrument.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Scottish Landfill Tax (Prescribed Landfill Site Activities) Amendment Order 2022 (SSI 2022/233) be approved.—[Tom Arthur]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for your time today, minister.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a brief changeover of witnesses.

14:22 Meeting suspended.  

14:37 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I am sorry to interrupt you, but will you put that into perspective in terms of the overall budget of South Lanarkshire Council?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Given the amount of money involved and the pressure on our finances, I think that, complicated or not, it is something that we have to look at, is it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

You said that it could be £70-odd million, as it could be doubled.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Right, so you are talking about a 5 per cent gap.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

One of your suggestions—indeed, it is also in the main COSLA submission—is about multiyear settlements. I think that committee members round the table are really sympathetic to and supportive of such an approach for local government. Of course, the issue is that the Scottish Parliament does not have such settlements, which makes it difficult for us, especially given the proportion of resource that goes to local government.

Two weeks ago, I had a private meeting with representatives of the Accounts Commission. When it gives evidence, it always talks about long-term planning. Most local authorities, although not all, are involved in medium to long-term planning. What work is COSLA doing on long-term financial planning?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I have a follow-on question. One way to look at potential costs is to consider the position in reverse. I was a councillor when Strathclyde region was abolished in 1995, when we went from having one social work department in the region to having 12. Each local authority suddenly had 12 directors of social work and 12 deputy directors and all the rest of it. If you looked at the cost of setting up shared services, it would be interesting to see what the potential savings would be.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. That has exhausted the committee’s questions, so I will wind up the session. I remind colleagues that we will be back in our usual Tuesday morning slot next week, when we will continue to take further evidence on Scotland’s public finances in 2023-24. I thank our witnesses for their participation this afternoon.

Meeting closed at 17:40.