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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Fair enough.

There is quite a big variance in the financial memorandum. Some of the evidence that we have received has suggested that the costs that it sets out are a conservative estimate with a small c. The costs vary from £574,000 to £878,000 on an on-going basis once the commissioner has been established. How robust are those figures? Disability Equality Scotland is concerned that the bill

“could have an indirect indication of reduced funding”

for the organisation as funds may be diverted to the commissioner.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The FM does not include provision for participation, legal or investigation staff, and the costs that are associated with that engagement and participation are considered to be conservative.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Would I be correct that the cost of those four staff members would be just short of a quarter of a million pounds a year and that there would be a cost of just over £130,000 for the commissioner?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I take it that those costs include not only salaries but other costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Do you not think that funding would be removed in any way, shape or form from front-line services? You said earlier that money had not been reduced from other charities and other organisations because we have the children’s commissioner.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Given the intricacy of some of the issues that you have talked about and how very localised they are, how could a commissioner with four staff possibly deal with that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that opening statement, Jeremy. Our first question is why you feel that a commissioner is the best route forward to promoting and safeguarding the rights of disabled people. What gaps are there in current Government provision that make you feel that that is the best way forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Human rights is one of the issues that has come up in our evidence sessions. Perhaps, rather than having commissioners that look after a number of different areas, beefing up the Scottish Human Rights Commission so that it could look at some of the rights-based issues might be a more effective way forward. A rapporteur could look at specific issues, such as disability. What is your view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am going open up the session to colleagues around the table.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Do you have any final points that you want to make, before we wind up?