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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Before the rise in inflation, my local authority had to pay about £16 million or £17 million for schools that were completed in 2007. Those payments go up to 2037, but I understand that they have increased significantly because many of them are tied into current interest rates as opposed to rates that are fixed over a period of time. So that we can consider the implications of that across the public sector, any information on the issue would be helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

On employability, I was intrigued by the comments about the Dundee pathfinder project. We will want to look at that further.

You will be aware that the UK Government is talking about when it will raise the pension age from 67 to 68, and about bringing that forward from 2044 to 2034, which will, of course, increase the workforce. I do not know how many people aged 67 to 68 will want to remain in the workforce, but that is when the state pension age will change.

In terms of employability, yesterday I was at ACS Clothing in Motherwell. I do not know how familiar you are with that facility. It is a circular economy facility—it is the largest clothing recycling facility in Europe and it puts clothes back into the marketplace. It employs 150 people, and 16 per cent of its workforce have disabilities. It also has a very high proportion of refugees and ex-offenders working there. It takes a lot of people from the margins, and it pays well. It is very high tech and has a very low carbon footprint and so on—a lot of very good things are happening there. My point is about trying to learn from some of that best practice and seeing how it can be expanded around Scotland.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

There has been a great deal of focus on the national care service in recent days and weeks. This committee hopes to scrutinise an updated financial memorandum towards the beginning of next month, if not the end of this month. Concerns about how much of next year’s budget will be allocated to the national care service have been raised—including by members of this committee—in the chamber and beyond. Can you enlighten us a wee bit on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

John Mason has continued his Richard Lyle impression, even at the committee.

Section 1 agreed to.

Schedule 1 agreed to.

Section 2 agreed to.

Schedule 2 agreed to.

Section 3 agreed to.

Schedule 3 agreed to.

Sections 4 to 11 agreed to.

Long title agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Could we say that you are moving the accounting into next year but that the projects are still continuing, or are there are actually delays to existing projects?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thanks very much. There was a very positive and productive meeting with my local college—Ayrshire College—just last Friday.

I open the discussion to colleagues around the table, starting with Daniel Johnson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I am sure that other colleagues will ask about the fiscal framework, which is why I have not done so. However, the issue is one that the committee is becoming increasingly concerned about, because we do not seem to have moved forward on it in the past year. I know that there has been a lot of chaos, given that we have had four Chancellors of the Exchequer and three Prime Ministers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Today, we will consider the budget bill at stage 2, but before we turn to formal stage 2 proceedings, we will take evidence on the Scottish Government’s response to our “Budget Scrutiny 2023-24” report.

We are joined today by John Swinney, who is the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery. He is accompanied by Scottish Government officials Alison Cumming, who is the director of budget and public spending, and Lorraine King, who is the deputy director of the tax and revenues directorate. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

Members received copies of the Scottish Government response on Friday. Before we move to questions from the committee, I invite Mr Swinney to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

However, the problem is that, even if inflation declines dramatically in the way that everyone anticipates it will this year, the prices are still fixed at a higher level and, because the capital allocation has shrunk, you will still have to try to squeeze a quart into a pint pot.

I was intrigued to find out that the green investment portfolio has already attracted £300 million in private investment, with

“£875 million currently under offer or in active discussions.”

There is significant private resource available to come in to help to boost and deliver the projects, is there not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

With that, as there are no other questions, I bring the evidence session to a close. We will have a five-minute comfort break.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

11:08 On resuming—