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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Apart from the colossal number of figures—there are literally hundreds of different figures here—we have the statement in paragraph 54 of the finance update—I mention this issue only because you touched on it a moment ago—that

“There has been a £565.1 million reduction as part of the budget revision with portfolios reviewing their non-cash requirements. The largest element relates to the £627.1 million movement in the Student Loan RAB charge. This is to cover the latest estimates from economists on the impact of the current macro-economic climate on impairment of the student loan book.”

What does that mean to most people? Not a lot. It would help if there was a wee bit more explanation as to what such things actually mean. Explanations of how those things impact on the Scottish Government seem to be in separate silos. What does that statement mean in terms of how much money we can spend on local government, the national health service, policing or whatever?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. You said that that is worth £20 million to £30 million. Where would the other £20 million to £30 million be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. That concludes the first item on our agenda. We will now move on to our next item, which is formal consideration of motion S6M-07762. I invite the minister to move the motion.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Budget (Scotland) Act 2022 Amendment (No. 2) Regulations 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Tom Arthur]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

We will now take evidence from the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth on a Scottish statutory instrument.

Mr Arthur is joined by Robert Souter, senior tax policy adviser at the Scottish Government. I welcome Mr Souter to the meeting, and I invite Mr Arthur to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. I do not have any questions, and I see that there are none from committee members. I am sure that you are relieved that there were no questions on that. I could have asked one or two for the sake of it, but why would one do that?

Thank you for your evidence, minister.

The next item on our agenda is formal consideration of motion S6M-08009. I invite the minister to move the motion.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Scottish Landfill Tax (Standard Rate and Lower Rate) Order 2023 (SSI 2023/50) be approved.—[Tom Arthur]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

It seems to me a huge sum of money to have been added in the revisions, as opposed to something that was anticipated. For example, on teachers’ pensions, you know how many teachers will retire and how much they will get paid as part of their pension. It seems to me that £500 million is quite a differential.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I will not go into any more depth; I could, and if that continues, I will do so at our further meetings. Liz Smith wants to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister and his officials for their evidence. We will publish a short report to the Parliament, setting out our decision on the regulations, in due course.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

11:07 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister and Mr Souter for their evidence today. As we discussed the next item on our agenda, consideration of our work programme, in private earlier, that concludes today’s meeting.

Meeting closed at 11:10.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

But that money is not actually being spent on anything.