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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 January 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes. One of the things that you have talked about, for example, is the need to limit the amount of public money being paid by every commissioner for external and internal audit. Those are all cogent points, but I come back to my original point. It just stood out to the committee that there seemed to be quite a significant increase in terms of the allocation of funding to commissioners at a time when more commissioners are in the pipeline. Obviously, that is why we were alerted to this and that is what almost triggered this inquiry, to be perfectly honest with you. Do any other colleagues want to come in?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Again, I could say the same about local government, the police or the NHS. That is the kind of issue that is facing them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. So, are we gonnae be in a position whereby, as we go forward to the next financial year, we see similar bids or do people feel that things are much more settled in terms of the areas that we are talking about? Ian, do you feel that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

David and Brian, do you feel that there are any gaps in provision or that there is an overlap? I certainly cannot imagine an overlap between your two bodies, but are there any gaps in provision? One thing that the committee and the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body and the Parliament more widely is looking at is the likelihood of more commissioners coming in and whether any gap needs to be filled by a commissioner or could be filled in another way. Do you have any views on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I have to say that you have already commented about that and you all talked about back-office functions and so on, and that covers everything from property to IT to everything else. There is already a high proportion for salaries, but I think that you would prefer if if the money, such as you have, went on staff rather than functions that could perhaps be covered elsewhere. Do you feel that, if additional commissioners are created, they should effectively be locked into a collective auditing system and the back-office functions that you talked about there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Should as many organisations as possible be based in the Parliament building, Ian?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I will open up the session to colleagues round the table. The first will be Michelle Thomson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am asking not just about office-holders but about the public sector landscape in general.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

From the previous panel and this panel, we are already getting the idea that people seem fairly content with the existing landscape but are concerned about how it might develop. For example, Rosemary Agnew’s submission said:

“It seems that the need for a Commission/er is often the starting point, rather than being the conclusion of analysis of what the current gaps or shortcomings (or strengths) are.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Claire Methven O’Brien, your submission says:

“We suggest that a review cycle of existing Commission/er mandates to assess fitness for purpose within a changing landscape is something which Parliament should consider.”