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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Before Sarah Davidson answers, I should say that our other guests can also answer these questions if they so wish. They are not all directed at Sarah.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Sorry?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

When we were discussing our guests for this meeting, I said to the clerking team, “We need to invite Paul Cairney, because he has a healthy cynical approach that will be good for the session.”

I will add one thing, before I hand back to John Mason. Your submission says that the national performance framework

“struggles to translate this high-level thinking into detailed deliverable action.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Westminster has a huge pool of 650 MPs, whereas there are only 129 MSPs here.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I cannot speak for other parties, but there are people in my party who, whether or not they are elected to be a convener by the Parliament, will still be either independently minded or a party hack, as the case may be, because that is just what they are. I am sure that that is the same in other parties. I do not necessarily see that the Parliament electing them as convener will make any difference to individuals. If you are someone who follows the line all the way, how will you change just because you are convener of a committee? People who are independently minded are independently minded, regardless of the whips. I never have any discussion with whips about the work of this committee or with ministers before they attend committee. We do not have pre-meetings or any of that kind of stuff; everything is done completely autonomously. It is really a matter for the individual.

You talked about a new party coming in—we all know that we are talking about Reform. People could say, “We want a democratically elected convener, but we do not want one from that party,” or perhaps they will say that they do not want one from the SNP or Labour. I am just not convinced that it will provide party balance in committee convenerships.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

At the end of the day, it is all about leadership, is it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

It would be good if our successor committee built on our foundations. It can go in whatever direction it sees fit, of course, but that is good advice.

Sarah Davidson has the last word.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much to all our guests. The discussion has been very helpful to our deliberations.

We will have a five-minute break to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:32

Meeting suspended.

10:37

On resuming—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

That ends stage 2 consideration of the bill. I thank the cabinet secretary for attending. The stage 3 proceedings and debate are due to take place on Wednesday 25 February. We will now suspend to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:54

Meeting suspended.

10:58

On resuming—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

It seems strange that it has been attached to the budget, given that it does not have any impact on it.