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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I know what you mean. Labour is guaranteed two chairs and the SNP is guaranteed four or whatever, so the chairs have to be elected from that group.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

There is also an issue about the degree to which the MSPs who come in after the election are risk averse.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I would just say that the issue is not about the Parliament not holding ministers to account—everybody agrees that ministers should be held to account. The issue is that the relationship that ministers have with civil servants makes it difficult for them to be held to account, if you know what I mean. I am not articulating this very well, frankly, but the point is that ministers feel loyalty to the group of people with whom they work every day, and they believe that what they are being told is correct and is how things should happen, and that, if there are delays, there are really good reasons for that, which others might not see or agree with.

There is a degree to which ministers are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. There is an issue about how far ministers are able to push their civil servants before they are accused of bullying or whatever. There is always a balance to be struck in terms of how that is done.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Legacy Issues (Public Administration)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

No one is in charge of this committee. It is all done through consultation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Agenda item 2 is stage 2 consideration of the Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill. Members should have a copy of the bill, the marshalled list and the list of groupings, which are also available on the Scottish Parliament’s website.

Only the Scottish Government can lodge amendments to budget bills, and the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government has lodged several stage 2 amendments for the committee’s consideration. The list of groupings sets out the order in which the amendments will be debated. Members who wish to speak in any of the debates should indicate that by catching my eye or the attention of the clerk.

We are joined by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government. Under standing orders, her officials who are present are unable to participate in formal stage 2 proceedings.

I move straight to the bill.

Section 1 agreed to.

Schedule 1—The Scottish Administration

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Amendment 1, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 2 to 5 and 9.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

There are no colleagues who wish to contribute at this stage. Cabinet secretary, do you wish to wind up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Not even by splitting the difference?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I do not recall the figure ever going the other way. There is never an overestimate; it is always an underestimate. We always end up with quite substantial figures—nine-figure sums in this case.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

The difference in the ScotWind resource is huge. How much ScotWind funding will be left after that money has been put back in, so to speak?