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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Okay. Does Elaine Morrison want to go next?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you for that.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you very much. Mr Witty, you are last but not least.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you very much for that.
I thank all our guests this morning for their very helpful contributions to our deliberations. We will continue to take evidence on this issue over the next few weeks, because fiscal sustainability and long-term fiscal pressures are always on committee members’ minds.
Without further ado, I call a break until 11.10 to enable a changeover of witnesses and to give members a break.
11:05 Meeting suspended.Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I am not going to pursue that matter, because there are a number of issues that I want to cover, but I am sure that colleagues will want to come in and explore it further.
Cabinet secretary, in your opening statement, you talked about £649 million to mitigate UK austerity. If that money is being used to mitigate UK austerity, it is not being spent on devolved services. We heard the concerns that were raised by the college sector earlier this morning, whose budget for the year is roughly £649 million. You will be aware that that budget has been cut by 17 per cent in real terms over the past five years. Surely, the issue of poverty is one of opportunity cost. The colleges have robustly argued that investing in skills, training and employability, as opposed to larger benefit payments, for example, will ultimately have greater benefits for the individuals themselves, the economy and society, and that it will make Scotland more fiscally sustainable. Is opportunity cost not one of the big issues that we have to face at this time? You said that there is not a black hole, but the funding gaps that the Government faces are around £1 billion for the next financial year and £2.6 billion by 2029-30.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
You have said that, at the moment, the figure is about £1.2 billion over and above the block grant adjustment. The Scottish Fiscal Commission is saying that it is £1.3 billion and that it will go up to £1.5 billion.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
The FSDP says that operational delivery improvements
“will focus on improving performance and productivity alongside the delivery of internal savings and efficiencies, such as the continued automation of some payments”.
There are no numbers against that, which is an issue that always concerns the committee. If we are talking about a Scottish Government budget gap of £1,070 million going into the next financial year, we need numbers on things such as that.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I referred to that earlier when I said that 57 per cent of people on universal credit are in work.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. You have put in quite a stretch today—it is very much appreciated.
With that, we will have a two-minute break to allow the official report and broadcasting to leave, along with our guests, and then we will go into a brief private session.
13:17 Meeting continued in private until 13:30.Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Good morning, and welcome to the 24th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take item 4 in private?
Members indicated agreement.