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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I will ask a final question, because colleagues are keen to come in. The Scottish Parliament information centre says that, over the next five years, the amount that is spent on social security in resource budget will increase as a share of the Scottish budget from 14 per cent to 20 per cent—from £6,332 million to £8,684 million. We all appreciate that that is demand led, but within five years the Scottish Government’s decisions will have added £1.5 billion to the total as a result of the Scottish child payment and other things that have been mentioned.
The Scottish budget is not likely to grow much. If we are lucky, we can maybe add 1 per cent in real terms. Consumer prices index inflation will go into welfare payments, but the gross domestic product deflator is what tends to be involved in our resource budget.
How do we manage to continue to afford an effective welfare system without impacting on every other area of Scottish Government spending? Whether we look at justice, where we have 800 fewer policemen than we had five years ago; the national health service and integration joint boards, which are all chronically in debt at the moment; or struggling universities, colleges and so on, welfare spending appears to be squeezing out other areas of expenditure. Ultimately, that has an impact on the Scottish economy, growth, the tax base and the ability of the Scottish economy to employ people who are currently in poverty.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I am sorry, but I do not recognise those figures. SPICe and the Scottish Fiscal Commission have said that it is going to go from £6.33 billion to £8.7 billion.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Well, hold on—not necessarily. Adult disability payments are projected to go up from £3.6 billion to £5.4 billion and the number of claimants to go up from 529,000 to 703,000, which is a colossal increase of 174,000 in four years, even though some people who are on the benefit will pass away. However, Scottish Enterprise pointed out that half of the people who are on the adult disability payment are already in employment, which suggests that enhanced support for employers who recruit disabled people might be a better approach, and it would reduce the impact.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thanks very much. I look forward to getting a reply to the letter that I sent two weeks ago about why I never got a notification of that meeting.
11:45Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I first raised the issue of tapering at the SNP conference in 1986, so it is a long-running saga.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Last year.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I have loads of questions, but I will not ask all of them—the committee would lynch me if I did. It is a bit two-dimensional to say, “It’s about expenditure,” or, “It’s about eligibility.” If we have a growing, thriving, inclusive economy, people will come out of poverty. It is about treating not just the symptoms of poverty but the disease itself. I have always believed in independence not just for Scotland but for individuals.
We have not really touched on how you decide whether to spend on one benefit versus another. For example, how does the Scottish Government decide to continue to cover the costs of the bedroom tax—frankly, most people who receive the benefit think that the tax was abolished years ago—versus its expenditure on free school meals? How do you decide which one you should go for? Also, how much will the mitigation of the two-child benefit cap be per child per week?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Absolutely.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
When you say “considerable impact”, do you mean a positive or negative impact?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
You seem to be prepared to answer it, from what I can see.