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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I know that you can be knocked off field by things such as the employer national insurance contributions increase. In the area that I represent, in North Ayrshire, 54 per cent of the council tax increase—some £6.8 million a year—is going into paying ENICs, and that is just the direct cost. However, given that we were told in January of this year that the deal was likely to be in February, it seems disappointing that we cannot get it concluded. I am sure that others would like to see it concluded quickly as well.
We have talked about capital over the years in the committee, and there has been great frustration that the investment pipeline always seems to be just beyond us—it is like a donkey with a carrot on the end of a stick. We keep pursuing it, but we never quite get to see an infrastructure pipeline. When it is produced, will it contain shovel-ready projects, as some witnesses have asked for?
Obviously, capital can fluctuate and one concern is that sometimes, at the end of a financial year, capital is rolled over. If there were shovel-ready projects, there would be a bit more flexibility in terms of being able to deliver on some projects in the short term.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
You touched on the invest to save fund, which I was going to ask about anyway. Witnesses were very supportive of the fund, but they said that £30 million is not enough to do more than scratch the surface, that you really need a bigger fund if you are going to make fundamental change, and that the more that you invest to save, the more radical and swift the change is likely to be. Are those fair comments?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Does that seem reasonable?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Joe Griffin told us in response to a question from Michelle Thompson that, out of a workforce of 7,000 people, there were 4,000 managers. It looks as if it is all chiefs and nae braves, if you know what I mean. If you are looking to improve efficiency, the civil service does seem relatively top heavy compared with other organisations.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I am just thinking of Ireland. In 1986, the country was effectively a basket case, so everybody sat down and decided, “Look, this is what we need to do: focus on infrastructure and education.” Look where it has gone in the past 30 or 40 years as a result; it has had phenomenal growth and success relative to where it was.
I am now going to open up the session. I call Liz Smith, to be followed by Ross Greer.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Indeed. The commission also said that the United Kingdom would not be able to meet its own climate targets without Scotland, because of the impact of peatland restoration and so on.
As for the small business bonus scheme, I would note that the Federation of Small Businesses has said that, without it, one in six of their businesses would have gone bust at the time of the financial crisis in 2008. Certainly the scheme might have a use in times of crisis.
I call John Mason, to be followed by Craig Hoy.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I have just been whispering about that with the clerks. We thought we had kicked it into touch long ago.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Excuse me, how many questions are you thinking of having?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Good morning, and welcome to the 26th meeting of the Finance and Public Administration Committee in 2025. We have received apologies from Michael Marra.
Before we start, I put on record our thanks to the Lithuanian MPs, organisations and officials who met us during our short fact-finding visit to the beautiful and extremely clean city of Vilnius last week. I have never been anywhere so immaculate.
Lithuania’s challenges are similar to those of Scotland in relation to demographics and public sector reform. We had fruitful discussions with our counterparts on long-term strategic thinking and growing the economy. We will draw on those discussions as we continue our pre-budget scrutiny, and we will publish a summary note of the visit very soon.
We have one item on today’s agenda, which is to take evidence from the Scottish Government on responding to long-term fiscal pressures. I welcome to the meeting the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, Shona Robison. The cabinet secretary is accompanied by Scottish Government officials Richard McCallum, director of public spending; Lucy O’Carroll, director of tax; and Alasdair Black, deputy director of budget and fiscal co-ordination.
I wish the cabinet secretary good morning and invite her to make a short opening statement.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Even 14 January would be better. A Thursday is a terrible day.