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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 December 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

It might help if I were to provide Mr Simpson and the committee with the opportunity to have a more detailed briefing from the officials and teams who have developed the app. I would be happy to arrange that, if that would help to reassure members about the issues and practicalities.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

In some circumstances, that happens in other environments. If I show my passport at an airport, I am showing it to a complete stranger who will know my name, date of birth and passport number.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

I do not for one moment trivialise the significance of the issues raised.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

I contend that that is exactly what the Government has done by recognising that, as I confirmed again to the committee this morning, the Government can sustain the regulations only if there is a proportionate justification for doing so. That is, in essence, the answer to the question that the witnesses expressed to the committee and the point that Mr Rowley fairly puts to me in his question. I cannot sit here and say that the regulations will be in place until a given date, because the state of the pandemic could improve to an extent to which I do not have the justification for that. I cannot say to Mr Rowley that the regulations will be here until X date, because that would in essence be to prejudge the three-weekly review that we have to undertake.

We expect cases to be high and hospitalisation to remain high, and that will put great pressure on the system. That is why we need to take steps to suppress the prevalence of the virus, and the best way to do that is to increase vaccination uptake.

I hope that that helps to address Mr Rowley’s question.

10:30  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

I do not want to sound as if I am disagreeing with Mr Rowley in any way, because that is the approach that we are taking, but we express it slightly differently in the legal test of proportionality. If we find ourselves in a situation in which there is not a sustainable legal case to be made for the proportionality of the regulations, the Government will have to deal with that.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

There was a lot in that question; Mr Rowley has acutely summarised the dangers and challenges.

As of yesterday, there were 1,581 delayed discharge patients in our hospitals. I know that it is a very controversial issue, but sustained efforts were made to ensure that patients who did not require to be in hospital in spring 2020 were discharged to other settings. If my memory serves me right—Dr Smith might help me out—that number went down to about 700, at its lowest.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

Mr Cole-Hamilton and I know what we are debating here.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

They are.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

On that point, if we increase uptake of vaccination, we increase the degree of protection in the population, which has the effect of suppressing the circulation of the virus. I suspect that we are about to get into whether the chicken follows the egg or the other way around.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

John Swinney

I am happy to consider what material we can helpfully publish to demonstrate the response and the reaction to the measures. We publish a huge amount of data on a regular basis but, if the committee wishes to specify and stipulate areas where it believes that the publication of data would be of assistance, I will be happy to consider what could be published in that context.