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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 May 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament

Fair Work in a Wellbeing Economy

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

John Swinney

Will the member give way?

Meeting of the Parliament

Fair Work in a Wellbeing Economy

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

John Swinney

Will the member accept an intervention?

Meeting of the Parliament

Fair Work in a Wellbeing Economy

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

John Swinney

Will the member give way?

Meeting of the Parliament

Fair Work in a Wellbeing Economy

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

John Swinney

It is typical of the contribution that Mr Rennie makes to the debate that he does not give a broad range of indicators. He omitted the fact that the Scottish economy has outclassed every part of the United Kingdom, apart from London and the south-east, for inward investment for as many years as I can remember. Why does Mr Rennie have to come here with such a depressing tone for the debate?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

John Swinney

I take it that those provisions are built into the contract at the point of negotiation.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

John Swinney

The nuance that I am trying to get across is whether the skills that Police Scotland requires for the policing challenge of today are best served by a discussion about the number of police officers that we have available to us.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

John Swinney

The long and the short of it is that the Scottish Prison Service, finding itself in a position to deliver capital projects in the aftermath of Covid, is stung by the combination of an intensely competitive marketplace because of the backlog of construction projects; supply chain costs increases, which are fuelled by Brexit and the loss of freedom and movement and the increase in fuel costs, all of which are beyond the control of the Scottish Prison Service; and the challenges of securing an appropriate workforce to deliver such projects. That is the context in which you are trying to rejuvenate your estate.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

John Swinney

It is very obvious that there is intense financial pressure on the Government and on public services after austerity, Brexit and the spiralling punitive impact of inflation, and I am certainly not underestimating the financial pressures on the Government. In that context, it strikes me that the comments that you have put on the record about the importance of picking up the pace on preventative services are absolutely critical. To all intents and purposes, it looks as though the Government is in a bit of a bind with a rising prison population, because that is a more expensive problem to service than putting in place preventative services, which are much more affordable and, in some circumstances, produce better outcomes.

What impetus is being given across Government to make the shift into preventative services that the cabinet secretary has highlighted? I recognise that this is not just a justice compartment issue, but a wider issue across Government. Is the cabinet focusing its discussions on how a shift might be made in order to reduce the higher-cost custodial service that is being supported, with greater priority being allocated to preventative interventions?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

John Swinney

I have one brief question, convener. The cabinet secretary referred to the chief constable’s priority on community policing, which I understand is welcome. The criminal threat that society faces is much broader than just community policing—for example, there is the sophistication of online activities that threaten the population. The necessity for Police Scotland to have the necessary online skills might not lend itself to the traditional definition of police officers and police officer numbers being the best indicators of the strength and effectiveness of the organisation. To what extent is the changing nature of crime reflected in the dialogue with the chief constable and the Scottish Police Authority, and in the budgetary choices that might be made?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

John Swinney

When the Scottish Prison Service witnesses were with the committee this morning, the director of finance highlighted the backlog of construction projects post-Covid, coupled with the challenges in the supply chain for the replacement of infrastructure because of the impact of Brexit, with the loss of free movement of individuals, and the wider effects of construction inflation, which you told us involves a 47 per cent increase in the cost of construction materials. Is it correct that those factors will affect not just the cost of renewing the prison infrastructure, but all other aspects of capital investment across the Scottish Government’s capital programme?