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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 May 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee Report: “How Devolution is Changing Post-EU”

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

John Swinney

Will the member take an intervention?

Meeting of the Parliament

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee Report: “How Devolution is Changing Post-EU”

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

John Swinney

Will Mr Choudhury accept an intervention?

Meeting of the Parliament

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee Report: “How Devolution is Changing Post-EU”

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

John Swinney

Before the cabinet secretary develops his argument, I wonder whether I could take him back to his opening argument about the actions of the public in Scotland in supporting the devolved settlement in the referendum of 1997. We risk losing sight of the significance of the democratic consent that was given to the settlement in 1997, which in many ways was reinforced—much against my wishes—in the referendum in 2014. I commend the committee members for what they have said in the report about the attack that has been made on devolution, and I point out that at no stage has the consent of the public in Scotland been sought for those changes. Is the cabinet secretary concerned about the implications of that for the democratic consent of the public in Scotland that was given in 1997, which has been disregarded in the period since the referendum in 2016?

Meeting of the Parliament

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee Report: “How Devolution is Changing Post-EU”

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

John Swinney

Will Mr Whitfield make it clear whether the Labour Party will, if it is returned to government in 2024, abolish the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020?

Meeting of the Parliament

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee Report: “How Devolution is Changing Post-EU”

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

John Swinney

Will Alexander Stewart give way?

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

John Swinney

I will move on to the position on the estate. The statistic that horrified me the most this morning was the 20 per cent occupancy level of the premises in Dalmarnock. What information can you share with the committee about the level of occupancy and utilisation of police premises around the country? Can you give us a figure? Can you say, for example, “We think the police estate is X per cent occupied”?

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

John Swinney

Chief Constable Farrell, you have been very candid with the committee about the fact that your budget ask was essentially met by the Government. That rather surprised me, given the intensity of pressure on the public finances. I think that we should acknowledge and recognise—as you have done—the significance of the financial settlement that was delivered.

I am interested in your comments in response to Sharon Dowey about the budget giving you the time and the space to redesign. I would like to explore that, because the assurance that I seek is that, when it comes to further budget rounds, Police Scotland will be in a position in which it will not have to make the significant asks on the public purse that have been met by the Government on this occasion. As you rightly say, the pressures on the public finances are not going to abate in the forthcoming years in any shape or form. How confident can we be that the budget represents an opportunity to give you the time and the space to redesign?

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

John Swinney

Do you have the right climate and are you getting the right response to the effort that you are pursuing? Are partners responding in a helpful way?

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

John Swinney

That helpfully gives the committee a sense of how you will proceed on issues in connection with Police Scotland. I am interested in your earlier evidence about your interactions with other bodies that have an effect on the operational efficiency of Police Scotland, and I am interested in understanding how you intend to pursue those questions, because they strike me as falling into different categories. In relation to the welfare of vulnerable citizens, for example, there is interaction with the health service and the third sector on how the mental wellbeing of individuals can be supported more effectively in order to try to reduce the crisis intervention of calling the police. I have seen that at first hand in my constituency experience, and that has been appreciated. There will also be examples of, frankly, your officers having their time wasted by the inefficiency of the court system.

I am keen to understand how blunt your conversations with others are about how they must get their house in order to help you to improve efficiency in the police service. What is the dialogue like with other parties—the Crown, the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service and health boards—to ensure that a combined public sector resource is used to its maximum level of efficiency, which can help to reduce the budget asks of Police Scotland in the years to come?

Criminal Justice Committee

Chief Constable Jo Farrell: Vision and Priorities for Police Scotland

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

John Swinney

If you do not mind, I will write to you after the committee meeting with a suggestion of a venture that you might wish to visit in my constituency in the city of Perth, which absolutely ticks the box that you just set out. However, I am interested in how you are pursuing a systematic conversation, because that will involve local authorities, third sector providers and health boards to ensure that that actually happens on the ground and in a more systematic way, rather than having the occasional island of excellence, if I can put it that way.