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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 September 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

I agree with the suggestions that have been made—to close the petition, but to recommend that the petitioner and others pursue the matter with their MSPs.

As an MSP who drives the A9, I suspect, rather more frequently than others, I add that the 50mph speed limit for HGVs on that road has, I think, in the view of the vast majority of my constituents, added considerably to the safety of the traffic. Previously, lorries going at 40mph and people breaking the speed limit at 80mph gave it a kind of “Wacky Races” feel. To be serious, that massively enhanced the risk of fatalities, which is a very, very serious problem. I must admit that I have moved from being agnostic at the beginning to being a very firm supporter of the 50mph limit. I just wanted to put that on the record, convener.

I very much hope that the safety aspects, particularly on the A9—which I think can be monitored and proven by the study into that that I believe is being undertaken by Transport Scotland—are taken into consideration. That study will be a useful piece of evidence for the measure being extended to apply to the rest of Scotland, as indeed it applies throughout the rest of the UK.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

Okay. As you will understand, it is not the function of this committee to go into matters in detail; we simply give voice to petitioners who come to the Parliament with a cause and seek transparency and accountability. It is not our purpose to go into the issue in detail—it is our job to decide whether someone else should do so.

Therefore, I have a simple question. Would you support HIAL’s handling of the air traffic management strategy process being the subject of an external review by an organisation such as Audit Scotland?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

Is there any other body that you think could carry out an audit? I am mindful that any body looking into the matter would have to have rather more than a rudimentary understanding of the air traffic control issues, which are, as we have heard from the Civil Aviation Authority, fairly complex. I had pondered whether Audit Scotland is in fact the right body, for the reasons that you have stated. Can you suggest any way in which public accountability could be achieved by a body that has a reasonable knowledge of the issues involved, which would be essential to do a proper job?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

Thank you, Inglis Lyon, for setting out clearly why you changed tack. You have set out compelling reasons for doing so in a candid and helpful way.

I want to ask about something that Mr Henderson raised in the previous evidence session, which was the extent to which changing tack has incurred a cost in expenditure that could fairly be described as abortive—in other words, expenditure on pursuing a model that has now been shelved for five years. What level of abortive expenditure has there been on developing the air traffic management strategy?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

As I said earlier, the petition has quite a long history. I have only recently become a member of the committee, but I have been aware of, and have followed, matters. It is plain that progress has been made, partly as a result of the work that Prospect has done and the engagement from MSPs and the petitioners. Do you feel that that progress has covered some of the defects—as you see them—that you have just described? In other words, are you confident that, going into the future, HIAL will listen more to staff and engage more with communities? As I understand it, you have been in the thick of it.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

Yes. Those issues are hugely important to all the islands that are served by HIAL with what are, in many cases, lifeline services.

What about the financial side? Do you have an idea of how much HIAL has spent on the now-aborted air traffic management strategy?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

Okay. Do you think that those figures should be made public, or are there good reasons why that should not be the case?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

We heard earlier from one of the petitioners, who confirmed that he felt that the Scottish Government should take charge of an independent analysis. That surprised me a little, because I had thought that he had perhaps envisaged an individual analysis that was independent of not only HIAL but the Scottish Government. Be that as it may, if you think that the project should be analysed and that the costs incurred to date should be studied, do you have an idea of who the right person or the right body to do that work would be?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

It would be good to write to Scottish Forestry, too, because it has various enforcement responsibilities in respect of inappropriate felling, which was one of the issues that was raised.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Fergus Ewing

I am sorry to interrupt. I got the gist of that—it is more a question about the financial and managerial aspects of how HIAL has failed thus far, as you see it. To be clear, in your view, should it be somebody in the Scottish Government who carries out that independent assessment?