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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 November 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

The £30 million of funding is welcome, but what is it being spent on, and when? What is the timetable? Can we write to the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills to seek further information on the planned pilot of free school meals in secondary schools, especially on the anticipated timescale for carrying out the pilot?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

That is appreciated, but what Callum Isted has asked for—the minister said that he has done well, and we all recognise that—is that every primary school child should have a reusable water bottle. If you have your own water bottle, you carry it with you and you have it all day. If it is anything else, whether a fountain or a cup in the canteen, you do not always have that with you.

We are fortunate and privileged here in the committee room, where we all have water at the table, but they do not have that in schools. My point is twofold. First, every child should have access to water—you say that you do not know whether that is the case or not—and secondly, the point of the petition is that that access should be through means of a reusable bottle, so that there is less repetitive use of paper or plastic cups and so on, which are bad for the environment. The sum total of your evidence is that you do not know what is happening and you have not said yes to Callum’s petition. There have been some warm words, but Callum has not really made any progress, has he?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

That really is wrong, I think. I would imagine that many of us here feel that way. Thank you again for answering my questions.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

Thanks for coming today, Stephanie. It must be very hard.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

You are doing very well. We appreciate that this is, as I think you said, every parent’s nightmare. I think we all feel that very profoundly for you.

It seems to me that you have been very badly let down by people who were supposed to help you. We have not heard from the police, so we have not heard what they have to say, but it feels that way to me.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

Yes. I think we heard that Mr O’Kane was very helpful to you.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

Have you ever been offered any explanation by the police about why they did not carry out the investigation that you felt was basic—namely, door-to-door inquiries and things of that nature?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

Thank you for those remarks, but, with respect, you have no evidence and I would suggest that you get evidence from each local authority to find out what is actually happening.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

If you are not able to say what evidence there is, how do we know that children get water?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Fergus Ewing

I would quite like to see the evidence, because it does not seem to me that there is clarity. There really should be clarity from each local authority, which should provide a simple explanation of what it does in each case.

My final question is this. If every child were to be provided with such a reusable bottle, that would enable a form of national procurement for every local authority. The way that procurement goes is that you get a better price with a national procurement scheme, because you are buying many more of exactly the same thing rather than having possibly 32 separate procurement exercises for bottles. Have you considered that? Has the minister had or sought advice about whether a national scheme would offer not only those cost benefits, because you get cheaper unit costs for larger procurements, but certainty that children actually get personal access to a reusable source of water, which they can have all the time? That would provide an answer to Callum’s petition and provide near certainty that every child is properly hydrated, which, with respect, you are not able to say is the case at the moment.