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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

So, it could be even higher than the price that was deemed to be too high.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

So, there is a precedent there.

I want to ask about the way in which Transport Scotland conducts the tender process. My understanding is that, once the process gets going, Transport Scotland ceases contact with the tendering companies. In the course of the timescale of the Tomatin to Moy tender process, I discovered that some supply companies in the quarrying sector had not been approached for estimates. I found information that indicated to me that it was unlikely that a particular company was going to submit a bid, because it had not bothered to get estimates from the company from which it normally gets estimates.

As I understand it—tell me if this is correct—Transport Scotland does not engage with the various contractors that are on the approved list to bid and therefore perhaps it was not really aware, until far later than it might have been had it pursued a more collaborative approach, that it might end up with only one bidder.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

The companies in the framework contract would have guaranteed work, really, for that period of 10 years, so they would be able to recruit some retained staff more easily; have a long-term relationship with suppliers; perhaps get more keen prices for quarrying and other material; and have a guaranteed order book. That would instil confidence and retain employment in Scotland at a time when, as I understand it, many other opportunities exist in the UK for civil engineers to do work—down south, for example.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

If I may, convener, I will move on to the second area of questioning, which is on Mr Barn’s view about how this can best be sorted.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

In the statement that you provided to the committee, Mr Barn, which is extremely helpful and succinct, you set out the ways in which you, as the voice of industry, believe that procurement can be changed in order to achieve the objective that the petitioner has set out—namely, the as-swift-as-possible completion of the A9 project. I believe that, yesterday, the First Minister said that the Government’s commitment to that is “cast-iron”. That is welcome, but how do we get it done? The petitioner has already said that, at the current rate of progress, we will not see the job done until 2050, and I think that I will be pushing up the daisies by then.

The issue before us is, how can we make the necessary changes in order to get the job done as swiftly as possible? I think that there are two or three options. I wonder whether it might be helpful, convener, if Mr Barn can set those out for us in his own words.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

All the benefits would accrue.

I appreciate your time, convener; I would like to ask one further question.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

I apologise to Mr Torrance for stealing his thunder, but I think that that is worth while, out of justice to the petitioner, because we do not really have a clear answer. We should at least get an answer to that.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

The profit margin in the contracts is 2 per cent. Is that standard?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

A framework contract could involve several companies, perhaps mostly from Scotland, sharing the work to complete the A9. It would be possible to put the section of the A96 from Smithton to Auldearn, which is also a Government commitment not affected by the Bute house agreement, into that framework. That might have the benefit of limiting the disruption, or spreading it out across the road network, rather than risking the closure of the A9 to Inverness, which is an unattractive prospect for many of my constituents. Would it be possible to put that into the framework contract?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Fergus Ewing

Is there a risk that the retender of the Tomatin to Moy section will lead to an even higher price, as we heard Mr Barn elucidate? Can you answer his point and recommendation that, although one must treat all parties equally in a tender process—that is a plain and clear legal requirement of procurement—that does not prevent you from reaching out to all the contractors to inquire about their progress, provided that they are asked the same questions, in order to be able to ascertain whether it is likely that you will end up in the same situation again, with one bidder only, but this time with an even higher price than the price that was previously rejected because it was deemed to be too high?

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