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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

It will cover infrastructure projects over £5 million and programmes over £20 million. There is a lot below that involving small projects. There are the projects that either have their business case or have their business case in process, and then there will be those that are in the phase beyond that. There will be big differences between some of the national infrastructure projects, which will be the big projects, and some of the more local infrastructure projects.

As you are aware, convener, we are constrained by the capital outlook. We have a very disappointing capital outlook from the spending review, so we are very exercised at the moment about how we can expand the capital envelope through other means. You will appreciate that we have a lot of ambition in the capital space and we do not want to be constrained in that ambition, so we are giving a lot of thought to that. We will set that all out when we come to it in January.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

I think that the target was about a 0.4 per cent annualised reduction in workforce. I cannot quite get the numbers to hand, but we did have them and I can send you them. Essentially, convener, it is a downward trajectory—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

Yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

It must happen across the board. We need to lead by example, and changes have been made in the director-general territory to ensure that we do not ask others to do things that the top level of the civil service itself is not prepared to do. There has been a reduction in the number there in order to lead by example, which my portfolio very much needs to do.

However, in doing all that, we need to ensure that we are not losing the investment in, say, digital and automation, which needs to be—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

I will check with justice colleagues exactly where that has got to, convener, and I will come back to you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

It is a bit easier to do that when you have the whole picture, but that is not to say that there is not something that we can do in that respect. I am happy to look at that. We are always keen to see ideas from elsewhere, and there might be some merit in doing that here.

I know that this will be difficult in the current political climate, but if we were able to establish enough of a consensus about what such a vision would look like, we might be able to have some kind of landing space in which, although we might disagree on certain things, we could agree on the things that we need to move towards. That might bring benefits.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

I guess at a very high level it goes back to the key priorities, and the overarching key priority of eradicating child poverty. The question is: do our programmes help achieve that aim? There are various lenses through which we would look at existing spend and priorities to try to ensure consistency. We are also required, by law, to produce another child poverty delivery plan—the third—which will give us a good chance of hitting the child poverty targets by 2030. That is one example of the lens, I guess—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

I guess that the overall answer is yes. Every part of the public sector would be looked at in terms of the contribution that it can make.

Without giving away any trade secrets, we have been having a debate about whether the bulk of the overall spend—whether it is in colleges, childcare or health—does enough to eradicate child poverty. We have a tendency sometimes to focus on the new bits of funding. There is a question about the rest of the tens of billions of funding through our various structures. I am quite thoughtful about that. Whether it is colleges or the health service, we need to interrogate whether what they are doing—for example with our childcare programmes—is going as far as it could to lift families out of poverty.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

We will continue to discuss with business the best way to shape the funding that is available in order to have the outcomes that we want.

For example, we are talking to the hospitality sector at the moment about whether the current regime that is focused on turnover is fair to the hospitality sector compared to retail. We are not absolutely wedded to doing things the way that they have always been done. We are all cognisant of the current climate in which businesses are trying to recover from Covid and of the headwinds that are impacting on small businesses in particular, but it is not a bad challenge to say that the small business sector might have ideas.

We are talking to business and engaging with it on what the future looks like. It is a good time to have those discussions and to frame the issue in a way that shows that it is not about taking something away but about what investments could work better. I will continue to have those discussions through the budget process and into manifesto territory.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Shona Robison

We can come back to you on that.