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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I understand that, and it is a fair challenge.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I will have to come back to you on that, if that is okay.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I just want to add, on flexibilities, that we have agreed that, for each and every year, SNIB will have access to up to £25 million of the Scotland reserve to deposit funding that can be carried forward into the next financial year, which will help with its cash flow.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

We would expect every portfolio to be very alive both to what the organisations in it bring to economic growth and to the importance of that in relation to everything that they do.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I thought that the session with the SFC on that was interesting, because it said that it boils down to the lack of levers because of the fiscal framework—a point that you have made on a number of occasions. The SFC said that it is one of the few flexible pots of funding that we have, given the constraints on borrowing, the reserve and all the rest of it.

The SFC also said that it is not unreasonable to use the ScotWind money to smooth through that year, particularly when we look at 2027-28 and see the spending review looking like a V and then improving. If we had not done that, we would have had to make some major reductions to funding lines, including the main ones, such as local government, health and social security. That was the alternative in the absence of any other lever to smooth through that year. However, our track record shows that we have been effective in reversing out ScotWind allocations that we have made in previous years, because we recognise that we do not want to utilise that money for resource spending. We have been successful in reversing those allocations out and our intention would be to reverse as much as possible in 2027-28 for use in future years.

As I said earlier, I do not believe that the UK Government’s spending review outlook, on which we are basing our outlook, will hold in its current form, given that we are heading towards a general election in 2029. The figures for 2027-28 and 2028-29 will change, for sure, in terms of the funding available.

The choice that we had was either to smooth things out through the use of ScotWind money or to show significant reductions, which we would have to plan for now.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

We have responded through the immediate spending review outlook. Indeed, it is why the fiscal sustainability delivery plan sets out efficiency savings that go quite far and quite deep in reducing corporate costs, with a reduction of 0.5 per cent over the course of the year, or around 11,500 full-time-equivalent posts. That will mean delivering services differently.

All of that will help ensure that, by the end of the period, we are in such a position that the books are balanced and the changes that need to be made in the transformation of services have been made. The public sector will be smaller at the end of that period, due to all those levers.

As for the wider, longer-term outlook beyond that, I would say two things. First, there has to be a fundamental review of the fiscal framework. I have made that point many times, and I have raised it many times with the Chief Secretary to the Treasury. Commentators in the main are supportive of our view that our levers are very constrained when it comes to smoothing out rocky periods in the flow of resource funding. It does not flow evenly, but our levers in that respect are very constrained.

The second thing is the demographic changes that are coming, which will require us to go further and faster with the transformation of services and with the use of more preventative spend to prevent people ending up in hospital and to address the exponential growth in the over-80s. All of that has to be looked at in combination with all of our front-line public services. We are really in the foothills with some of the automation and digitisation approaches, but we need to expand all that.

That would be my response: we are absolutely doing these things. All the work that is on-going in the immediate period will need to be stepped up if we are to be able to take on that demographic challenge.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

We would expect the savings that are being made to be reinvested in further savings, so we would want a bit of a cranking up to happen—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

The £30 million last year was really to oil the wheels of change, but the wheels then have to keep going within each organisation, rather than—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I am sorry—it is table 4.15, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

No. I have set out what we know in the spending review, which is that we have flat cash, and I am saying that no spending review has ever stayed the same—none. It was the same under the previous Conservative Government. No spending review remains as it is set out; it always shifts. All I am saying is that, on the basis of the history of what has always happened with spending reviews, there will be movement on the figures. We have tried to say, on the basis of what we know for sure, what it will look like, but all past spending reviews have moved and shifted in a positive direction, and that is what I expect to happen.

For 2026-27, there has been a real-terms increase in local government funding on the basis of the funding that is available to us, which I have set out.