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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Crofting and Scottish Land Court Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

It would take one person a long time to get round every croft—I do not think that they would manage to do so in their lifetime. Should there be a reporting duty as part of the census? Should people say what they are doing with their croft?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

We have heard that there is a distinct difference between RO and RME, and that RME should not really be in the bill. Douglas Hutchison also said that he did not think that RO should be a legal requirement for non-denominational schools, and I wonder whether Susan Quinn agrees with that.

I also want to push you a wee bit further on what you mean by that. We have had evidence that, say, nativity plays and the kinds of things that go on in schools around Christmas time can be viewed by people not of the Christian faith or who do not have a Christian background as being very much like RO, with their children being asked to observe Christian traditions that are not part of their own beliefs.

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

Louise Church, do you agree?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

Thanks. To turn the argument on its head slightly, should RO be a legal requirement in the first place? I know that that is a controversial question, and I do not want to put anyone on the spot, but I ask it because the bill would allow an opt-out.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

That is perfectly okay. I did not get any answers, but I absolutely get that people do not want to come down on one side or the other, especially when they are here representing others.

Let us move on a wee bit to the conflict that the proposals could cause, which has been touched on. We have heard that it is strange that it is the parents who would have the opt-out right rather than the children. The children would not have an opt-out right under the bill, but they would have an opt-in right if their parent opted to take them out, which seems a bit back to front. Would that cause conflict, or is there likely to be less conflict because it is the parent who will exercise the right and the child is likely to go along with that?

Louise Church, do you want to comment on that? I am picking on you first because you probably understand better what could cause conflict between parents and children.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

That was useful.

My other question has pretty much been answered, but I will ask it, just for clarification. It is about the possibility of, or potential for conflict between parents and children. We all understand that the preference is for the bill to allow the child to make this particular decision, but the fact is that they will be able to do so only if their parent opts them out. That is the only time that they can take a decision that might be contrary to their parent’s belief. Will that create conflict, or would there be more conflict if the child were able to instigate the process and make that decision themselves?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

—or even a few days’ time.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

Okay. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

Do you all agree that RME should be removed from the bill? Are you saying that, as it is part of the curriculum, there should be no opt-out in relation to it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Rhoda Grant

Are you saying that the decision should be for the parents alone and that the child should not be able to overrule a parental decision?