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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

I will ask you a difficult question. Given that this committee cannot rewrite the whole bill, is there a quick fix that we can recommend to the Scottish Government? We have to report to it and say, “This is what we think you should do with the bill.” We cannot just take it away and rewrite it. Are you saying that the bill just will not work and that there is a need to go back and rewrite it? Is that the fix, or is there something simpler that we can do?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

We are coming to the end of a parliamentary session, so I do not think that anything other than a quick fix is an option at this moment.

When we come into a new parliamentary session, of course, a new Government will have its own priorities, so the bill is probably an opportunity to do something. Certainly, there will be no other opportunity for at least a couple of years, and maybe beyond that, because it takes a year before new Government legislation starts to come through. If the Government has other priorities, that timetable slips back further. Realistically, we would be looking at four years. I am not making that up. Such a bill could be a priority for a new Government, but that is unlikely, because it is technical. Should we try to make the best of the bill, rather than saying that we do not agree with its general principles?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

The bill’s objective is to comply with the UNCRC, as well as to provide coherence and clarity with regard to the process of withdrawal from RO and RME. You have concerns about the bill. What are your thoughts on how we could ensure that the bill achieves those aims?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

Okay. A child could tell their parents that they want to opt out and explain to them what is happening in class, assembly or whatever. Is that how a child’s rights would be realised, or should a child have a stand-alone right to opt out themselves? If so, what would the mechanism be for that, given that parents also have rights? What about children who are under 16?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

I do not want us to have a long conversation about that because others have views that they will want to give, but the question that arises is whether we need the sticking plaster now, before the Government can go back and do a full review.

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

Thank you. Sorry, I was not trying to shut out the rest of the panel, but I thought it was important to get to that. Has anyone got anything to add, or is everyone happy with that?

Rachel, I am sorry—we did not see your hand or your R in the chat.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

I almost wish I had never asked. [Laughter.]

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

How would you characterise RO, then?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

Those other decisions would normally be taken in conjunction with their parents. Parents come to parents night and are with their children while they choose their subjects. When giving the right to the child to opt out, how do you involve parents?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

The objective of part 1 of the bill is to comply with the UNCRC, as well as to provide coherence and clarity on the process of withdrawal from RME. It is clear that folk believe that the bill does not really comply with the UNCRC, so I will not ask you whether it does. I suppose that my question is about how we make it comply. How do we make the bill achieve the objectives that the Government has set out?