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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

I want to ask about the plan for the new Barlinnie prison, which is much further away than everybody would like. The plan is that we will eventually have a prison that has a higher capacity than the current Barlinnie prison. That is my understanding, because I have asked the Government some questions about it.

For a start, you would like to think that that would help reduce overcrowding overall, although it might not. Is it too early to say whether it will give third sector organisations, which are the backbone of all this work, a chance to deal with the drug problem in prison in a better way, because there will be more space and the staff will be able to concentrate a bit more on how they can assist prisoners, rather than what they are doing right now, which is dealing with daily pressures that are caused by overcrowding? We want to ensure that no violence erupts because of the conditions that prisoners are being held in. Have you given any thought to how things might work in future?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

I expect the figure for HMP Glasgow would be nearer to 1,300.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

It could be, yes.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

When they come out of prison, they would then have to be managed as a drug user, whereas, when they went into prison, they were an alcohol user.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. Dr Lesley Graham, you are absolutely right that a lot of the discussion about prison management has been about drugs, and it is really important that you are here to talk about the prevalence in issues around the management of those people who are dependent on alcohol.

The committee has been trying to learn a bit more about how prisons run and how drugs get into prison. We know a lot more now, but I wonder whether you want to comment on how it is happening. Is it happening a different way? For example, we know that drones are used for drugs. The general public are always mystified; people think that it is easy and ask why we cannot just stop drugs coming in. However, we realise that it is a really difficult thing. The comings and goings in the prison service—the deliveries for the kitchens for example—and the advent of drones make the job of the prison service much harder. I just want to get your views on that.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Can you tell us anything about how alcohol gets into prisons, rather than drugs?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Yes—I want to ask Marianna Marquardt a question.

You talked about trauma and boredom, which are running themes. The committee has been exploring issues around the availability of rehabilitation programmes and individuals having things to do in prison. I get a lot of letters from prisoners who say that they are not getting access to rehabilitation. We know that prisoners are spending too long in cells because of overcrowding. Is it time to try to solve that side of the problem by giving them things to do and to aim for? That could make a difference to the demand for drugs in prison.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Giving prisoners something to do is not just about rehabilitation. You talked about boredom. Presumably, if we are interested in getting people off drugs in prison, ensuring that they have something to do might be an aspect to look at. Is it fair to say that?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

From memory, the figure that we currently have for capacity at Barlinnie is 900. Is that right?