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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

I have some other questions for you, if that is okay.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

It is just that we are short of time.

I want to ask you about the different models. There has been criticism of the Irish model versus the Swedish model, which seems to be more effective. Could you tell the committee why that would be? Is there any particular country whose legislation has been more effective than the legislation elsewhere?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you very much.

Lastly, I want to ask about the figures for human trafficking—this is probably for Bronagh Andrew. I think that some of those figures have been disputed. What can you tell the committee about the prevalence of human trafficking, and about the profile of trafficking and what it looks like in Scotland, in particular?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

I read somewhere that the prevalence of trafficking may not be as high as some are asserting. If you could give us any information on the figures for that, it would be helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

Please continue.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. I have a question for Amanda Jane Quick. One of the big differences between this panel of witnesses and the next panel is that one of the submissions we have received says that there is a “false assumption” about prostitution or sex work, according to which it

“is not driven by men’s demand for sex, it is driven by women’s need for an income.”

The submission goes on to discuss inequality and poverty. Are you able to respond to that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

The figures that the committee has seen refer to 4 per cent of men and show the age group and rough profile of those who are buying sex from women. Do you have figures on the prevalence of violence among that group?

10:45  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

The violence from that group of men. Amanda Jane Quick talked a lot about that, and other women experience it, too—for example, stealthing and strangulation. Strangulation has been a big issue for the Parliament, and we have talked about the need to legislate on such issues. Do you have any information at all on the levels or prevalence of violence?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. First, I say to Laura Baillie that I agree that the person she mentioned—I will not use his name—should be banned.

There is a commonality of view among the members of the committee and the witnesses about the importance of the safety of women. Whatever issues we might agree or disagree on, we have to wrestle with whether the legislation does what it sets out to do.

I want to continue on the issues of violence against women and girls and the wider harm that is done to women, which Katy Clark talked about. There have been many debates in this Parliament about the attitudes of men and boys and how we really have to tackle them. I would like to hear a bit more about how you feel that prostitution or sex work feeds into normal male attitudes that women are just available to buy sex from. How can we make the necessary distinction in our society? That is what concerns me more than anything when I am wrestling with the issue of how we keep women safe and what the right thing to do here is. Both panels of witnesses have made excellent cases, and what has been said has been very powerful. However, it is really important for me to hear what you have to say about the issue that I have just raised. I ask Lynsey Walton to respond first.

12:00  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

You talked quite a bit about the Irish model, which does not seem to have been effective compared with other models. Have you covered everything that you wanted to say about that?