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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Chief constable, I want to ask you first about the closure of police stations. A number have closed for different reasons, although it has mainly been for budget reasons. There is a list of proposed further police station closures, although I believe that some of those are being held back for the budget outcome. The situation is concerning for communities, as well as for police officers. If I consider my constituency in Glasgow, were Stewart Street station to close, Baird Street would be the nearest. There are implications for everyone.

If the Government acceded to your request for budgetary capital and revenue, what would that mean for those police stations? Would it give you room for manoeuvre to save some of them?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Yes. We have heard a lot of evidence that we should just decriminalise it. However, if we did that, my concern would be that the harm to women who are involved in prostitution that we have spoken about—

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

If there is no improvement to the proposed budget, would that take the numbers down further than the existing establishment?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Chief Constable Farrell, I think that you said that the ask in the budget was for 600 community officers and 250 officers to work on the challenges of serious and organised crime. I presume that that would be experienced officers, but you can tell me if that is not the case.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Liliana Torres Jiménez, you have spoken about the technicalities involved in the framing of the legislation. What is your view of the issue of consent, which is an issue in sexual offences such as rape?

Outside the committee, I went to a meeting held by Ash Regan, which was attended by women who had been involved in the sex trade in various countries such as Canada and Sweden. I appreciate that those countries have different laws. However, the women spoke about the difficulties there in prosecuting crimes of rape and other sexual offences that turn on the question of consent when the sale of sex is legal and—to use the phrase that they did—a contractual matter.

Do you see similar problems in Scotland for women who face the same threats as others who are involved in the sex trade and who might be the victims of crime even if the act of selling sex were to be lawful?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

If the sale of sex were to be lawful, would the issue of consent cause any difficulties in dealing with sexual crimes?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Yes; it is not a straightforward question. I asked it only because, in the briefing for the meeting that I mentioned, the women said that, in their countries, where the selling of sex had been legalised, it became difficult to prove consent in a court of criminal law. I would be interested to hear whether you have any views on that.

I want to ask Detective Superintendent Bertram about cases where the sale of sex happens in brothels. We have looked at the situation in Germany, where an estimated 1.2 million men buy sex every day and where sex work was legalised in 2002. We have heard evidence that legalising or decriminalising sex work does not really affect brothels, and would not lead to a proliferation of them, but the experience in Germany would suggest otherwise. Do you have a view on that? As we have heard evidence on decriminalisation, I would be interested to hear your view on whether that would lead to more brothels, for example.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Chief constable, you told the committee that, with the exception of the Fire and Rescue Service, the police might be the only public sector organisation that has taken such a reduction in its budget. Have you had that conversation with the cabinet secretary and put that to her directly? If so, what was the Government’s response to that? It is alarming to hear that, given what you have outlined to the committee about the challenges of policing and how important it is to communities.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

I want to be clear in my mind about the numbers, because there are a lot of numbers. You told the committee that you have already lost 900 officers. Over what period did that happen?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. For completeness, does Dr Forbes want to contribute anything from the prosecutor’s perspective in response to my question to Liliana about consent?