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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
Do you know why?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
I am sorry, but I am not accepting that. You have already told the committee that the decision was signed off by headquarters, so nobody second guessed. Which is it? In evidence to the committee, you said that the decision was signed off by headquarters. Am I right?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
So how was it second guessed?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
Thank you.
I will ask Teresa Medhurst a similar question, as I am trying to get to the bottom of this. I know that you were not governor for the whole time period. You have probably heard the interview with a former prisoner who said:
“My whole time in prison”
I was
“on constant high alert, my nerves were frazzled with fear. These incredibly violent men were walking around the communal shower area naked and sometimes”—
I apologise for the language—
“clearly aroused. Myself and other women were in cubicles with only a curtain to protect us. I was shaking with fear.”
I raised that issue with the deputy governor. I have to confess that I was shocked at the defence of the policy at the time. If there is going to be change, I would welcome it.
What is your view on her comments? I was told, first, that what she said was not true. Secondly, I was told that women are not at any risk and that there are separate showering arrangements. However, that does not seem to bear out the testimony of women prisoners.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
Sorry—I am not trying to be difficult; I am just trying to get to the bottom of this. As the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans, does it concern you that we have had a policy in place since 2014 that women’s groups have not been consulted on, even though they have raised concerns about it? Going forward, would you want to make sure that that changes?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
Good morning. The key question is: how do we move forward? However, I want to understand how we got to this point. That is important, because a lot of things went wrong.
I will start with the cabinet secretary. I have not raised this directly with you, but I have raised it with other ministers and with the SPS. I expressed my concern when the Katie Dolatowski case was live. Why did ministers not raise the issue with the SPS before now, given that, as we heard in answer to Russell Findlay, your officials phoned the SPS? I ask that question because I am sure that, as cabinet secretary, you are aware of the profile of women offenders. One statistic from the McMillan research is that 85 per cent of women offenders have reported adult sexual physical abuse. I am sure that you know all this.
Therefore, my first question is: why did ministers not raise the issue before now? We are talking about a policy that has been in place since 2014. For the sake of completion, I will quote Rhona Hotchkiss, who was vocal well before the decisions in question. She said:
“it is always an issue to have trans women in with female prisoners and ... the presence of male-bodied prisoners among vulnerable women causes them distress and consternation.”
Given what you have said, do you think that it is time to change the balance of the policy? Were you aware that women’s groups were not consulted on the design of the policy?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
But, with respect, that is not what I am asking. I know that you have confidence in the system. I am asking you directly whether you were aware that, when the policy was developed, women’s groups were not consulted. Did anyone tell you that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
You seem to be questioning what was said. Again, I point to the statement that was made by Rhona Hotchkiss, the former governor of Cornton Vale. She said:
“... it is always an issue to have trans women in with female prisoners.”
That means that it affects not only one prisoner. Do you accept what Rhona Hotchkiss said?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
So, what was said is not true. The problem I have is that, every time I ask a question, I get management speak in response, and it is the same with the deputy governor. I am trying to get some clarity. Rhona Hotchkiss has been the governor of Cornton Vale, so do you think her assessment is fair?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
Is it not the experience that you had?