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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. The evidence session has been very informative so far. I want to continue on the theme of how drugs get into prisons. That is what the public want to know. They do not understand the complexity of what you are dealing with or the different ways that drugs get into prisons. I will continue Sharon Dowey’s line of questioning on the use of drones and your successes in tackling that, which was good to read about.

10:45  

Stephen Coyle, you said that, sometimes, drones will drop drugs packages outside the prison windows. How do criminals communicate with prisoners? How do prisoners know where the packages are and who they are for? How does the communication network work, and are you able to subvert it in any way?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, you might not be able to answer this, but the committee would like to know whether there have been convictions for the use of drones. If there have been cases in which you had an idea who was behind it and you reported it, there must have been convictions.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Sure, but, as a complete layperson, I would have thought that there must be some obvious triggers. Are there no identified potential risk factors, such as being in a cell for that length of time and the boredom that comes with not having anything to do? Would that be regarded as a risk factor for someone who was not previously a drug user?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Is that how it works? Does someone who has not been a drug user have to come to you and say, “I feel at risk”?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Sure.

My final question is perhaps for Stephen Coyle to answer. I am just trying to build up a picture of the previously non-drug-using cohort. To your knowledge, are they targeted by criminals outside the jails?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Do prisoners routinely use mobile phones?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you.

I have spoken to many families, including a couple of families of people who have died in custody, who have said that their loved one was not a drug user and did not have a drug addiction before they went into prison. The committee has raised concerns about this many times. We know about the really hard job that you have in maintaining order in prisons when they are overcrowded, but some prisoners are spending 23 hours in a cell. That must have an impact on their mental health. They are not doing recreational activities, for example. What is leading to drug use by those prisoners and are you dealing with them in specific ways, or is it all the same strategy? What Kirsten Horsburgh is describing is the situation in relation to people who were drug users in the community, who offended as a result and ended up in jail. However, there is still a significant proportion of prisoners—you can correct me on the figure, but I think that the survey shows that it is about 17 per cent—who were not drug users when they went into jail.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

So, if you see someone who has been locked up in a cell—or, in Barlinnie, doubled up in a cell—and who might be at risk, do you identify them as such? Obviously, a significant number of prisoners are at risk, which could be for a variety of reasons.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Decision Time

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I experienced connection problems. I would have voted no.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Non-fatal Strangulation

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you—that is really helpful.

There is a conundrum around the context of domestic violence. I mentioned earlier a survey that found that

“Over a third ... of 16-34 years reported being strangled/choked at least once during consensual sex”.

Half of those young people said that they had consented to that. We have to assume from that that the context is not domestic violence. That gives me cause for concern. I suppose that, technically, both of the people who are involved in the consensual sex act would already be breaking the law, because you do not have to show injury or harm.

Would you agree that, before we consider any changes to the law, a great deal of thought should be given to public awareness, not just about the impact of strangulation, which a lot of people might not be aware of, but about whether they are potentially breaking the law? Do you have any other thoughts on how we should deal with that?