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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. You have answered Sharon Dowey’s question, and mine was on roughly the same area. You have removed those two offences because the police are not using fixed penalties for them. Is that right?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Oh, right. I presumed that it was from 2004—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Is there a policy such that two years is the time after which you would review something? I honestly thought that you would say that those offences had not been used in 20 years—and I could see that—but in two years’ time—

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Why does that matter? If it is an NHS issue regardless, when the police officer takes the person to the NHS facility where they can best be treated, why would that police officer not simply say, “Well, we’ve done our job, so it’s over to you”? Why would that not be the case in every circumstance? You are saying that you think that the police have some responsibility, at that point, to wait to find out what the diagnosis is.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Does that mean that no progress has been made in filling that gap? It seems to me that you are talking about something that is currently intangible.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

I do not feel that we are getting anywhere with what you are saying, to be honest. Our papers say:

“The taskforce is also looking to build training to give police officers and staff the knowledge, skills and confidence to support that balance around the care, support and monitoring in day-to-day policing.”

It sounds to me as if you are still going to rely on police officers to fill that gap.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

You have talked about the work to scale things down so that we are making some progress, but that is not in the area where the gap is. It is where there are two competing models when someone has a mental health problem and a diagnosis that needs to be addressed. You have made progress in that area—is that right?—but that is not where the gap is.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

What you have talked about is exactly why the committee is conducting its inquiry. However, the truth is that not much progress has been made. This morning, we have heard from witnesses that a gap exists, which has fallen to our police force to fill. That is what David Threadgold said. Do you agree that not very much progress has been made?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

I understand. For thoroughness, if that situation arose again, perhaps it would be worth asking the police why they were not using the fixed-penalty approach for certain offences. I had understood that that is what it is for. Would that mean that the police would then charge people with those offences in the usual way?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

I will conclude with this question. I would like to think that, if this situation happened again, the Government would ask more questions about why the police were not using the scheme for an offence, so that a committee could make a more informed decision and not simply say, “The police are not using it. Well, that is that—just strike it off, then.” The offence was on the list in the first place for a reason, so the scheme was meant to be used. I just make the point that, in future, it might be worth interrogating the police—