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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

I thought that you might have read the evidence given by Siobhian Brown last week.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

And that is about risk to victims and the public.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

I think that I understand what you are saying about having the relevant information so that the risk can be assessed and I can only presume that the risk is being assessed because someone has been put on the sex offenders register because they pose a risk to the public, so the information is relevant to the management of that. That is the only way it makes sense to me.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

You would have no control over that if they were—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

I am broadly content in my understanding of what the SSI is about, and I am happy with the cabinet secretary’s answers to my questions. However, I confess that I feel as though there is too much happening in a short space of time to satisfy myself that I understand everything that is going on here. The home detention curfew issue, for example, is not explained properly in our papers—for me, anyway; I am struggling to get my head around that. Due to the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee’s report, we as a committee need to be satisfied that we are not setting a precedent that we cannot justify.

I am in two minds about this, but other members are not so minded, so I am not too upset about that. I just feel really uncomfortable, as Liam Kerr did at the beginning of our consideration of the SSI, about getting to a point at which I am scrambling around saying, “Have I ticked all the boxes here?”.

I am not trying to give us more work. What has been said does make sense, but I am left thinking that I would have liked to have understood the home detention curfew alignment issue before I arrived at the meeting, without having to spend the whole time thinking it through in my head. For the purposes of being cautious, I would have preferred to defer, but I accept that that is not the view of most members.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

So, it is a requirement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Who can change that—the UK Government or the Scottish Government? I would like an answer on that because your chiefs are saying that, if they do not get what they have asked for—we do not yet know the outcome—they are going to run out of money. Some of the organisations have said that. I would have thought that carrying reserves forward would be an obvious thing to consider—unless you do not have the power to allow that. I understand what you said about borrowing powers, but we had flexibility on reserves previously.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

The point that Police Scotland is making is that it put £1 billion back into the Government’s funds, but that, since we created the single force, it is no longer able to carry money over. It gave the money back to you, so maybe it is time for it to keep some to create flexibility, keep officers on the front line and keep the budget healthy. That is the point that is being made; I do not want it to be lost.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

I have some questions about evidence from the Nordic model. You have made specific reference to Sweden, where we know that the number of men paying for sex has halved. What can you tell the committee about what has happened to the illegal sale of sex in a country such as Sweden? I presume that some of that has gone underground.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

You said that you had had a discussion with the Lord Advocate about the offence itself. This is from memory, and you probably know it better than me, but my understanding of the evidence that we heard from the Crown Office was that it had difficulty with the offence in terms of evidencing the crime. I think that the Crown Office witness said that there were issues with the offence as framed and that they did not feel that there would be many prosecutions in relation to it—correct me if that is wrong. Will you talk us through that and through the framing of the offence? What evidence would need to be shown?

I have the wording of the provision framing the offence in front of me. It states:

“A person (‘A’) commits an offence if it can be reasonably inferred that A has obtained or intended to obtain for themself the performance of a sexual act by another person”.

The Lord Advocate said that she is happy with how the provision is drafted, but I think that the evidence suggested that there would be difficulty in proving the offence. That is my understanding of what was said.