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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
I want to ask about the future capacity of the SPS.
As I am sure is the case for the witnesses, I remain very concerned that, in Scotland, prisoners who serve their time for the crimes that they have committed cannot always serve it in a drug-free environment; I am especially concerned about how that affects those who were not on drugs when they went into prison. That is a national concern, which I am sure that the witnesses share.
In the previous evidence session, a question came up about the capacity of the new Barlinnie prison. I understand that the capacity of Barlinnie is 900, although prisoners double up at the moment. I think that the new prison will have 1,300 places or thereabouts, which is an increase of about 400 places.
Will the witnesses clarify that? What will the increased capacity be when the new Barlinnie comes online?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Can you remember a time when drugs were not such a big issue in the Scottish Prison Service?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
An important factor is the spin-off of having prisoners on those kinds of drugs, and the impact on their mental health makes it even harder.
I asked the Prison Officers Association about the suggestion that drugs get into prisons through either the coercion of prison staff or their being offered possible financial benefits. You probably heard the POA’s response to that, which was something that I had not thought about. If staff spot something that does not look right, they report it in the interests of self-protection and staying safe. There is not a high prevalence of what I am talking about, but it would be helpful to get your comments on it.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
I understand that. That is what I am getting at. However, we have to be hopeful. The Government is not doing nothing. Something is happening. I caveat this heavily by saying that the prison population could again go up above 8,000, so it could use up the space that you have.
I would just like the reassurance, which you might not be able to give, that we are thinking ahead to a point at which we might be able to alleviate some of the pressures in 2027 or 2028 and beyond.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Yes—I want to ask Marianna Marquardt a question.
You talked about trauma and boredom, which are running themes. The committee has been exploring issues around the availability of rehabilitation programmes and individuals having things to do in prison. I get a lot of letters from prisoners who say that they are not getting access to rehabilitation. We know that prisoners are spending too long in cells because of overcrowding. Is it time to try to solve that side of the problem by giving them things to do and to aim for? That could make a difference to the demand for drugs in prison.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Giving prisoners something to do is not just about rehabilitation. You talked about boredom. Presumably, if we are interested in getting people off drugs in prison, ensuring that they have something to do might be an aspect to look at. Is it fair to say that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
From memory, the figure that we currently have for capacity at Barlinnie is 900. Is that right?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
I used the example of drugs, because we have been hearing about that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Does that mean that someone who comes into prison who is dependent on alcohol but does not have access to it is likely to find something else?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
I want to ask about the plan for the new Barlinnie prison, which is much further away than everybody would like. The plan is that we will eventually have a prison that has a higher capacity than the current Barlinnie prison. That is my understanding, because I have asked the Government some questions about it.
For a start, you would like to think that that would help reduce overcrowding overall, although it might not. Is it too early to say whether it will give third sector organisations, which are the backbone of all this work, a chance to deal with the drug problem in prison in a better way, because there will be more space and the staff will be able to concentrate a bit more on how they can assist prisoners, rather than what they are doing right now, which is dealing with daily pressures that are caused by overcrowding? We want to ensure that no violence erupts because of the conditions that prisoners are being held in. Have you given any thought to how things might work in future?