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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
That was really helpful. There are others in the public sector—the police, for example—who do a difficult job on the street, but the closed environment of a prison is unique, and it is important to say that.
Lastly, when someone has been terrorised, do they tend to come to the union for support?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Is there any internal guidance that is used to perhaps spot somebody who might be under pressure?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, do you want to add anything from a police perspective?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
What I am driving at is that overcrowding is one of the central issues in managing all the pressures that you have mentioned to the committee. I accept that the provision of more prison places does not mean to say that the problem will be solved, but I hope that it will give more scope for less overcrowding and doubling up. Jim, can you answer that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
I am just trying to envisage whether anything that will alleviate the pressures that prisons are under and that will keep prisoners and staff safe is going to happen in the future. I would have thought that you would already be planning for some of those things. I think that Inverness is also doubling capacity. That is not everything, but it is something to cling on to. I thought that you might be planning for that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Is the SPS planning for the possibility that, should the prison population remain broadly the same, you would have scope to do more because you will have more space?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Thank you. That is useful to know.
When we visited HMP Edinburgh, we had a discussion about the window grilles, which Liam Kerr talked about, and drones. I think that there was something about this in your submission—or there is something in the papers to back this up. It was suggested that, through the use of drones, weapons are going to come into prisons—or maybe that is already happening. Can you tell the committee anything about that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Thank you. My last question is a bit more sensitive, but I feel that I have just got to ask it, and you may answer it however you wish. There has been some suggestion that drugs are brought into prison by prison staff, either for financial benefit or because of what you have been talking about—the level of organised crime in prisons, which is difficult to manage. Is that something that you have heard? Are you able to talk about that? If so, what steps would be taken to deal with it? It would be helpful to get an answer on that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
Good morning. We have heard about all the different ways in which you can try to prevent drugs from coming into prisons. Since the introduction of those measures, such as X-ray body scanners, have you seen a sizeable reduction in drugs coming into prisons?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Pauline McNeill
In our inquiry, we had the opportunity last week to sit in private and listen to the experience of former prisoners. That evidence has changed my perspective a little and it has been very valuable.
Drugs are a huge issue for the management and the officers, and that has made the job more difficult, as well as being difficult for prisoners who do not want to bring in drugs. However, as Gillian Walker said, there is the issue of boredom. One thing that was said, which struck me, was that, for some, it is about escaping the reality of what they have done and about the fact that it can take a long time for them to come to terms with their crimes. I had never really considered all those things.
It strikes me that, at the moment, prisons almost seem to be centres for drug rehabilitation. One comment was that there should perhaps be some dedicated provision in the SPS for those who want to get off drugs. I ask about that in the full knowledge that this is not the time because there is severe overcrowding and we are still waiting on the new prisons being built. However, in an ideal world, has the SPS ever considered that there should be more dedicated units in the SPS for those who want to enter rehabilitation?