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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

You said that it is technical, so, even when we see it, we will not know which delivery model you are going for.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

We will be asked to vote for the framework, and we will then hear which delivery model you have—

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

Okay, so it is quite tricky. You want to move at pace, and I can understand why, as there is a lot of interest in the matter. As a committee, we are certainly very interested in it, and we want to work with the Government. However, how soon after the implementation of the technical aspect at stage 2 will we see what the delivery model will look like?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

What are you trying to achieve with the amendments at stage 2 and the changes to the scheme?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

I see. That would be the biggest change.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

Yes, but first I am trying to understand when we will see your plans for the delivery model. Will we see them before stage 2?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

I am sorry. I am not trying to ask a trick question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

I am just trying to get my head round what you want to do.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

Thank you for that. It sounds a very important and significant piece of work.

I will conclude with a question that goes back to Liam Kerr’s question. We will all be very impressed by the Government achieving that, but the committee has just looked at the budget, and there is nothing in the budget lines for what is quite a big—and welcome—change. Will you come back to us on the budget for it?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

Is it also fair to say that there has already been quite a bit of change, even as we have been discussing the bill? We have heard about the change to corroboration, for example.

12:30  

In my experience of the justice system, change often happens through decisions that are made in court. For example, the supreme court is currently looking at section 275 of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995. Whether change should happen in the courts or in Parliament is perhaps a moot point, but it does happen in the courts.

Is it fair to say that there has already been quite a bit of change? I would include in that the fact that the Lord Advocate herself, and some of the victims in their testimonies in evidence to us, have said that they see a bit of a change in the Crown’s approach to involving victims a bit more in their cases.

I suppose that my question is a yes-or-no one. Do you agree that you can get quite a bit of change without legislating for it? That is really what you have been saying, I suppose.