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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
Okay. As you have said, there are many implications, and you mentioned at the beginning the wider roles of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. Sometimes, we do not talk enough about the role that you have if there is an accident on the M8 or elsewhere and your critical role in saving people’s lives. I will not go into my concerns about shutting the stations in Cowcaddens and Yorkhill, which are in the region that I represent, but I think that Cowcaddens is a good example of a station that fulfils that role. You can correct me if I am wrong, but I assume that the location of a fire station such as the one in Cowcaddens, which is so close to a big motorway—the M8—is critical to the response times for serious accidents that happen on the motorway. Or is that not the case?
12:15Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
Are we talking about cases in which a woman has been charged with assault, for example?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
I want to explore what Agnes Tolmie said about angry men, which really struck me. First, Agnes, can I just check whether your concern is that the notification requirement for those men to be on the list would almost be a provocation, so it would not keep women safe? Did you mean that it would be provocative and that it might lead to more violence?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
Thank you. Finally, if I may ask—
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
Good morning. I want to explore how we got here. I am familiar with centralisation, and I know that you supported it. You probably did not think that, in 2025, you would be here telling us about cuts of almost £1 billion, because the point of the exercise was not to make all these cuts. The committee heard from the Fire and Rescue Service management team, which was, at least, clear that it needed a certain amount of money and that otherwise it would have to reduce the head count. In that sense, the union and the management are saying the same thing, although you might disagree with the figures. I would say that this is the starkest warning that I have ever seen from justice partners. The police are saying the same thing that you are saying: you went along with the centralisation, you made the efficiency savings, and now you are coming to the committee and telling us that this is going to impact on the people we represent. I think that it is the most serious situation that I can recall as an elected member.
I am sure that you will know this off by heart, but, in your submission, you said that, in 2024,
“sustained underfunding forced the SFRS to ‘temporarily withdraw’ 10 frontline fire appliances and reduce operational headcount by 166 firefighter posts in September 2023.”
So, it was temporary, but you predicted that it would be permanent, and you were right, because, as you go on to say,
“The inclusion of ‘permanent solutions’ to the cuts imposed in 2023 is evidence that the FBU concerns were well founded.”
Rather than go over the whole 13 years, why do we not start there? Is there another example that would better illustrate where the big cuts have started to happen? What has the responsible minister been saying to you? I presume that you have met with her and discussed it. Can you share that with the committee?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
Are you getting any response to that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
That is why I asked the question. I highlighted what happened in 2023 and the temporary reduction. Did you have discussions about that?
I agree with everything that you have said. There is an operational board and it is not for politicians to interfere in the running of the service, but the resource is the responsibility of the Scottish Government. I would have thought that a good place to start would be questioning it about the resource that it allocates. We are now at the end of 2025 and we do not know what the January budget will bring for the service.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
Thank you.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
I will start by asking Tumay Forster to elaborate on the evidence that she gave about women who might be convicted because they have retaliated in self-defence. I was not really aware of that until Pam Gosal mentioned it to me as being a big issue. It would be helpful to understand that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Pauline McNeill
Is your concern about the register, Tumay, that those women would be on the register?