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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Good morning. Your investigation has led to the Scottish Government coming up with improvements in its revised guidance, which has been referred to. Do you think that your investigation has had a direct impact on local authorities and change?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Good morning, cabinet secretary. The Scottish Government’s improvement plan accepts ESS’s recommendations and states that further detail has been added to the broad short, medium and long-term action categories

“to allow a more detailed assessment of progress”.

You state:

“Progress will be reviewed annually and milestone/completion dates adjusted as necessary.”

I think that that is about publishing against the targets and current standards. However, as you might be aware, witnesses have discussed with us the need to recognise that, despite what is set out in the standards, much lower exposure to particulates or substances in the air is damaging, particularly to vulnerable groups. We could meet certain standards and publish annually but not necessarily tackle the underlying problem, which is about air quality generally.

The issue that we are trying to wrestle with is whether your improvement plan and any changes that you might bring to CAFS2 will help improvements more widely beyond strict compliance with standards to ensure continuous improvement. What are your plans in that area?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

It depends on what your objectives will be. Are your objectives just to meet the compliance and standards that have been set, or are your objectives in CAFS2 or any revisions to CAFS2 to improve air quality more broadly and not just in the hotspot areas that have been identified, so that there is that continuous improvement agenda more widely? Bear in mind that we now have the science and evidence that show that exposure at even much lower levels can be an issue. How do we, as a committee and Parliament, know that that is happening from what you publish?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Would that—I am sorry, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Do you have a view on the Scottish Government’s support for local authorities that have been failing to meet their objectives under local air quality management systems? Is there any evidence of improvement in the support that is being provided?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

On timescales for improvement, your view is that a five-year review cycle is not consistent with trying to get compliance as soon as possible. Are you satisfied with the Government’s response on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

To put the issue in context, I note that, if we use that timescale, a child who starts primary 1 aged five will almost have left primary school by the time of the review. I am not saying anything about a particular school but, conceptually, in relation to improvements, five years is quite a long time in the life of a child.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Cabinet secretary, what are your expectations with regard to LEZs? We have heard that there will be different plans in different cities to address the local situation. We have also heard about the fact that the LEZs will have to reflect, for example, the bus fleet in a particular area. Will you share your views on that, given that we are looking at air quality more widely as part of our discussions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Which is why we are having this inquiry session.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

You indicated that you were aware of the evidence that the committee has had previously. One of the messages that we were getting is that, because we know that poor air quality probably has an impact at a much lower level than the current standards, it is more important to have an agenda of continuous improvement than to focus on standards affecting some hotspots in some areas. Is that something that you have a view on now?