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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I have lots of questions—I am sorry, convener. I will come to all the witnesses, but will ask Martin Johnson a question first.

The committee is conducting the inquiry so that we can inform our view on the forthcoming connectivity plans, so I will focus on future thinking. We want sustainable economic growth and repopulation, and we want to deliver net zero. That is the frame. I see that the witnesses are all nodding at that, which is helpful.

I will ask about specific links and areas, but first I have a question for Martin Johnson. What involvement has Highlands and Islands Enterprise had in the development of the forthcoming connectivity plan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Rob, what is your view on that balance between freight and passengers? I will reflect on some of what we have heard already. We were familiar with “fly and drive” but, from a net zero point of view, “sail and drive”—with electric cars on the other side—might be the way forward if large numbers of family groups are going over to the islands. What does the future look like for you?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Clearly, we want strategic alignment that anticipates future opportunities and has the flexibility to get there. There are various industries. Let us take the northern isles in particular. You raised issues about moving cattle at certain times of the year. What can be done to improve planning of transportation not only of existing freight but, as Mark Ruskell mentioned, for the new industries—although they are current industries—in energy and space? What does the future look like for the northern isles? What would be optimal?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

You are asking for a more sophisticated, calibrated, strategic and flexible system between industry, business and transport.

I see that you are nodding in response to that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

That was my next question. Are you aware of any routes that are currently subsidised and supported by the Scottish Government that could operate at a commercial profit?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you very much.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

This is also about the balance of cross-subsidies, because you may want to use the commercial profits from one service to subsidise other services, which is the issue around bundling. I am very keen to understand a bit more about the routes that you think could be commercially operated.

Gordon, you talked about the Islay route. If you have a bundled cross-subsidised system and a profitable whisky industry that benefits from that subsidy, but it does not have the capacity or frequency of service that it needs, is that an example of where there could be addition? Instead of unbundling, could additional services be provided on a more commercial basis?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

The committee is taking a fresh look at the needs of communities and businesses. The Government has been quite clear about its view, but that does not prevent the committee from investigating the subject. Helen, do you want to reflect on the points that I put to Gordon Ross?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

You both operate routes in competition with services that are supported by the Scottish Government. I am interested in hearing what impact that has on your businesses and on future possible expansion. For example, you have touched on the length of tenders and investment in vessels.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Public Petitions

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

We should look at the issue. It was not one that I was necessarily familiar with, but it is quite clear from the petition that it impacts on a number of people.

There might well be understandable explanations for the situation, but I do not think that things are entirely clear. Although the background paper that we have received has been very helpful, I do not want the petition to be readily dismissed, simply because we do not fully understand the reasons for the current requirements. I recognise the reserved nature of some of this matter, but that should not prevent us taking a closer look at it.