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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

Obviously, campaigners want to campaign—that is what they do. On the idea that the guidance is six years out of date, Monica, I think that you are perhaps stretching things. The legislation was passed by this Parliament—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

No, there was not. The legislation that enabled franchising was passed by the Parliament in 2019, which was good. The statutory instruments that are required to put everything else in place have come through this Parliament and are already delivered. That is a good thing. With regard to the choices that are available to local authorities and regional transport partnerships, Strathclyde Partnership for Transport, in particular, has done the work. At the last regional transport partnership meeting, I had a presentation from SPT on what it is proposing. It has agreement from all the local authorities, which is a strong position to be in, but it has to do that in a way that is robust and does not leave it in the situation that has happened elsewhere of there being a legal challenge from private operators that do not want to co-operate. That is a very real risk, and SPT is very conscious of what it needs to do. You and campaigners are criticising Strathclyde Partnership for Transport mistakenly when it has actually produced what people want it to produce, namely a blueprint to take things forward.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

As you said, SPT has not come up with what it anticipates the figure will be and what it will be able to publish with ministers. That will be part of its engagement, but it has to be a decision that is owned by the regional transport partnership, which is made up of all the local authorities in the Strathclyde area. It would have to look at the costings, and it is not there yet. That is how I would describe the situation.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I do not have any bus officials with me, because we thought that we were going to go into other areas and that we would be finished by now—I know that the committee might still want to go into other areas.

I have not had those discussions with SPT, and I lead on the budget areas. Unless and until we have a business plan, or even an ask, it is very difficult to say—it is all hypothetical. SPT cannot have those discussions until it has come up with its own costed plans.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

The report from CMAL—which is negotiating on our behalf, as the appropriate body to do so—is that the discussion on the heads of terms is well advanced. Clearly, some of the property—that is, the assets—has not been the subject of any transactions since the 19th century, and when it comes to the final agreement we want to ensure that the detail of that is all provided for. I think that Peel Ports would reflect that the process needs to be done properly and negotiated in a way that delivers a good contract. That is what we are proposing.

Why is that important? It is important, because there is a limit to what the Scottish Government can invest in any private organisation. The limit is about £60 million—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I have been making sure that, in the meantime, it has been working. The parties have worked together in a constructive way, as has been identified by those who work with that tripartite combination. The joint working between CMAL, CalMac and Transport Scotland officials on the in-person consultations and those organisations all coming together with one voice is really important.

It has been a busy year for ferries, not least given the commissioning and procurement of almost a third of the fleet. CalMac, as I have recognised, now has a direct award. A lot of work by Transport Scotland colleagues and CalMac was involved in producing that.

I have always said that I would be open to a change in governance arrangements. Had such a change happened during the two years since I came into post, it would have disrupted a really important period of intense work with everyone. I was a member of the committee when it took extensive evidence for the ferries inquiry. I remember Monica Lennon and I going on a very informative visit to the Western Isles together, which was before you joined the committee.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

CMAL’s function is absolutely essential. I am open to considering whether its governance arrangements could be handled by bringing different bodies together. Now that we have a direct award for at least one of the partners, we are in a position to more readily consider what we might want to do going forward. I am not closing off that option. Now might be a more appropriate time than any point over the past two years to look at that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I do not want to go into too much detail, but I think that the situation has improved. That does not mean that there is not an issue, and I am very conscious that you have to look at it. If you are testing whether I am aware of the different things that matter for any future arrangement, including pensions, the answer is yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

The consultation is closed. There are a great deal of responses, so we are having—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Fiona Hyslop

On the basis that it will require regulations, and on the basis that your committee is extremely busy, I do not think that we will necessarily have time to do what we would need to do. However, when I receive the responses to the consultation, I want to ensure that I can take a view and inform the incoming Government as to what it might want to do.

I cannot give you a definitive timescale, but I am conscious that, to give effect to some of those aspects, it will require legislation.