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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I would quite like to see that. If we are being told that the fines are not high enough, that has to change. It deters the people who obey the law, which is wrong if others get away with it.

I do not know if I have anything else to say, but I might want to come back in with supplementary questions. I am trying to find my way through my papers.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

When we look at the millions that you are having to spend on compliance and enforcement, £140,000 does not seem like an awful lot of money. Does that get ploughed back into the budget?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I hope that my question is about the budget and it will be brief—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

You will need to explain—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I have a brief supplementary question. Was that £10 million the annual figure?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I hope that was short enough, convener.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

So, there will be another regulation that says, “Well, it will not be the rate that was applied in 2018; it will be the rate that applies in 2024.”

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I understand the point about budgets, but I am talking about legislation. If you put something in black and white that says, “The rate is going to be what it was in 2018”, that rate will have to be applied. Would other regulations be needed to change the rate? I do not know. That is all that I am asking.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I am learning as we go along, but I want to highlight one key thing—only one. I understand that this is an interim measure and that the aim is to keep policies as they are—blah-di-blah-di-blah—but I note that, as the convener has pointed out, the DPLR Committee has said:

“under regulation 2(4) the instrument keeps the rate of payments under the Less Favoured Area Support Scheme at the current rate (which is the rate ... in 2018)”.

According to the report, the instrument will keep payments at that rate for the next 12 years. That is the first thing.

Secondly, as I say, I am new to this game, but the word “interim” does not usually mean that it will take six years to get something sorted out. I understand that farming is a long-term thing, but we are talking about an interim measure lasting for six years. I want clarity on what is being said.

The DPLR Committee report also talks about

“the current rate (which is the rate that applied in 2018) until 2030.”

In other words, there is a line in the sand at 2030. Are you saying, minister, that this interim measure could finish in 2027, or is 2030 the deadline? Is that the date that will be kept?

Therefore, there are actually three points that I want to make: one about the level of payments; one about the fact that, although we are talking about a date that is six years away, this is still called an interim measure; and one about the fact that 2030 seems to be the actual date—it does not say “up to 2030” or “no later than 2030”; it is 2030.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I know that.