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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

Throughout the bill process, there was extensive engagement with victims and victim support organisations. In fact, many of the reforms in the bill were the result of campaigns and endeavours by very brave victims who were able to speak about their experience publicly. Many victims and victim organisations campaigned for changes such as the abolition of the not proven verdict, the sexual offences court, independent legal representation as part of the court process, and the protection of victims of sexual offences from inappropriate or intrusive questions about their personal history—that is, the section 274 and 275 framework.

As you would expect, and as should be the norm, there was extensive engagement with members of Opposition parties. I endeavoured to build as much consensus as possible around the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, and it grieved me that Parliament was not unanimous on that bill. I had taken out some of the more controversial aspects of the bill with the intention—or hope—of building consensus.

The Government supported 20 Conservative amendments, 14 Liberal Democrat amendments, five Labour amendments and four Green amendments at stages 2 and 3, so there were extensive efforts in that regard. I am grateful to members for those amendments, and in particular to Jamie Greene for his amendments. Where amendments were not taken forward—again, I use Jamie Greene’s amendments as an example—they fed into, for example, the consultation on parole.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

It is the only time that I recall.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

The quote was accurate—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

—and, of course, Professor Jay exercises her right, which I absolutely respect, in providing additional context to it. She was seeking clarity—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

Yes. I had asked to make a private call to Professor Jay. I did so. I thanked her for taking the call, because I requested it. It was entirely up to Professor Jay whether she accepted the call. At the time, I was strongly of the view that I owed Professor Jay a professional apology, because—this is a reflection; it is most certainly not a deflection—it always grieves me when experts and professionals who have spent their working lives protecting our children become involved in a political debate or dispute.

I could only imagine—it would not take a genius to work it out—that there would be a level of inconvenience to and intrusion on Alexis Jay. I wanted to express that to her, to make a personal and direct apology to her, and to say that I recognised, understood and accepted her position. I had my own position, which I briefly stated to her—I did not labour it—which was that I would have to continue to answer questions about my position on the matter. In no way did I do anything to undermine her views on the matter.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

I was calling as an individual. I am not quite sure—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

Okay. Well, forgive me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

—but it is important that we are clear about what the amendments to the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill were about—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

It was in relation to quotes that I had given as cabinet secretary.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Angela Constance

There were no officials on the call. It was a private call.