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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Roz McCall

Good morning. It will come as no surprise that I feel strongly about rural issues. We took evidence from the Association of Local Authority Chief Housing Officers, which said that solutions need to be specifically suited to a rural context. Homeless Network Scotland stated that the bill probably does not go far enough on specific geographies and circumstances in rural areas. All In For Change said that there are issues with travel costs and public transport in rural areas, and the committee was also told that no consideration has been given to how the processes could cut people off from support networks and their work.

That is quite a lot of information. What have you taken on board from that extra information to ensure that rural areas will have the equality of service that they require?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Roz McCall

That is brilliant. Does that work form an active part of the fuel poverty standard process?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Roz McCall

Hello, everybody. Thank you for coming along. The first question theme is funding stability and longer-term funding. Pretty much everybody who responded to the call for views underscored the instability that is caused by the lack of multiyear funding. Equally, however, Social Enterprise Scotland highlighted that there are potential drawbacks to multiyear funding, such as missing deadlines, the possibility of failure to secure funding and the possibility of longer wait times before reapplying. That is an interesting juxtaposition—obviously, it is important that we consider multiyear funding but, equally, there is that juxtaposition—and I am interested in what the panel thinks about both sides of the issue. I am going to work my way down the line, so I invite Sheghley Ogilvie to start.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Roz McCall

That suggests to me that there are added benefits, but equally there is the possibility of increased red tape, more processes and different ways of doing things. Is that not just going to create a really muddy pool when we look at funding? I am sorry, Sarah; I know you raised the point, but I need to speak to everybody. Mr Westwater, could you answer along those lines? Does that approach not just muddy the water?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 June 2024

Roz McCall

Good morning to the minister and officials. I am the last member to speak, so this will not take long now.

It is disappointing that the equality impact assessment did not come out until Friday last week, particularly as that was after we had spoken to stakeholders. Although I accept that the assessment says that the bill is anticipated to have a positive impact on all equality groups, we have not been able to scrutinise that with stakeholders in the past couple of weeks.

First, why was the assessment published only last week? How would you respond to concerns that we have heard while taking evidence that the issues are not really being recognised? I would also appreciate your response to a comment by Homeless Network Scotland, which said:

“We need to up our game on this and ensure that we look through an equalities-competent lens at prevention duties into the overall Bill”.

I am interested in what you have to say about that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 June 2024

Roz McCall

As much as I accept that there will be 32 variations, which is the way to go, because that gives local democracy a way to work through that, I am reassured by the minister that there will be adequate resource and financing for our rural communities in the way that the legislation is implemented.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 June 2024

Roz McCall

Thank you. Anyone who is on the committee will know that the rural lens is a big issue for me. The committee has heard about the unique characteristics of homelessness and fuel poverty in rural areas. There are concerns that the bill does not recognise that and those were very much highlighted at one meeting. In what ways will the bill’s proposals support the prevention of homelessness in rural areas? I am interested in hearing you expand on that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 June 2024

Roz McCall

I accept that, but we are hearing another, “Bear with us, we’ll do it over the summer,” so I will repeat the previous comment, which is that we really need to see more detail about what that will actually mean, so that we can carry out proper scrutiny.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Roz McCall

I will ask a yes or no question and put you on the spot. Basically, what I took from that answer is that you do not think that we are sufficiently accounting for that in the bill. Is that correct?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Roz McCall

Rural provision is a big thing for me, as many people will know. When we took evidence from the third sector last week, we heard that, basically, the current system is broken, especially when it comes to rural areas, where there is an entirely different set of issues. Will you give us an insight into whether rural areas are covered properly and whether the bill will do what it says on the tin? I hope that Mike Callaghan and Pat Togher will answer that question.