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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Roz McCall

Absolutely.

Jessica highlighted earlier that

“producing good legislation takes time”,

which I thought was very interesting. I infer from that that, if there is a speedy expedited process, the chances are that you are moving towards writing what is not necessarily bad legislation, but is certainly not good legislation. Then, there is the genie out of the bottle that is 24-hour news, and the desire of elected officials to expedite the process as much as possible so that they are seen to be doing something. When you are writing legislation, do you feel that there is a possibility that we are moving on a continual conveyor belt of producing what is not necessarily good legislation?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Roz McCall

The joy of going last is that either you are saying what everybody else has already said or nobody wants to hear what you have got to say. I thank the witnesses for all their input. It was very interesting and informative. As others said, we know what the problems are; finding solutions will be harder.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Roz McCall

That was very helpful.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Roz McCall

I will just say happy new year and get that out of the way. Thank you very much for attending today.

I want to follow up what has been a really interesting line of questioning. I am sorry, Professor Whitaker, but I am going to come back to you—I know that you have been doing a lot of talking. In your initial comments, you talked about the difficulty of knowing when this sort of thing crosses the line. Is that basically because there is no line? Do we have this problem because we do not know when a line is crossed? If so, should there be a threshold? Should we state, “No, this is when we have a framework or skeleton bill”—whatever you want to call it—“and this is where we need primary legislation”? Would it be sensible to create a threshold?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Roz McCall

Does anyone else want to come in?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Roz McCall

You are highlighting that one of the consequences is lack of scrutiny and the ratchet effect. Are there other consequences that we are missing, or is it just the ability to scrutinise properly?

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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Roz McCall

Thank you. I apologise for using the word “just”—my language diminished the role of scrutiny.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Roz McCall

That was very helpful.

Diggory Bailey, you went through the process of what you do and how you do it. That was very helpful, but I heard nothing in there about a consultation or stakeholder engagement process. Would you get involved in that at all when drafting legislation?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Roz McCall

Thank you—that is interesting. We have highlighted the fast pace of legislation and the increased use of skeletal framework bills. Dr Fox, I will go to you first. I will ask a simplistic question first. The world is moving faster than it ever has before, in that we have modern technology and advancements. Could that be part of the reason for the need to be seen to be focusing and adapting quickly in legislation? Is it just the case that everything is moving exponentially faster?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Roz McCall

My apologies to the panel—I should have said hello earlier.

I would like to revisit a number of issues. I am pretty sure that you have already answered these questions very eloquently, but I just want to home in a little bit on the child disability payment.

I note that we have a 60 per cent increase in case load, while the figure for the rest of the UK is 47 per cent. Both figures are rising, but why is it rising so much in Scotland? Can you give us any insight on that? First and foremost, why is it rising at all, but why are we at 60 per cent in Scotland?