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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Roz McCall

To summarise, you are saying that there will not be a financial implication and that it will be best practice for local authorities and health boards to move into implementation smoothly. That is your wish for the bill, if it is passed.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Roz McCall

That is all very positive and I appreciate it. Given where we are now and the number of additional staff that we require, including in the third sector, when do you think that we will get to the right level?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Roz McCall

The committee has an interesting group of evidence sessions and we are coming to the end of that process. If I am summarising correctly, a few key risks and observations have come up, one of which is that the bill is a missed opportunity. Multiple witnesses have said that the legislative layering could add a layer of bureaucracy rather than simplify delivery. The UN convention contradictions were discussed earlier, so I will not go into that. However, two other points that have been highlighted are the funding gap and financial issues, which have already been mentioned, and workforce fatigue. For me, the implementation will be essential.

Given that funding issues have been highlighted, I will quote the point about Care Inspectorate costs from the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s letter. The committee talks about certain responsibilities under the bill in relation to the re-registration of fostering agencies as charities, and it notes:

“The Care Inspectorate submission challenges the assumption in the FM that the resources?required?for re-registrations are expected to be ‘minimal and manageable within existing capacity’.?The submission goes on to say that this will require around 970 work hours and that this is ‘not minor nor manageable’.”

That is a classic example of where there is an absolute need for additional funding, but it is just not there, so there is a funding issue. The Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Act 2024 meant that we were going to need 500 more social workers, but we are nowhere near having that. The number of foster carers is down by 8 per cent, and we are going to need 400 more in Scotland just to stand still. We will also need family support workers if we are to be able to implement the provisions.

Minister, I just need to ask whether we have got the funding and the workforce process right, because, as far as I can see from the submissions, we are not there.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Roz McCall

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Roz McCall

That is all great, but I am very conscious that everything that we are trying to do is about implementation. We can take legislation through the Parliament, but my bugbear throughout the process has been how we ensure that things will work on the ground, and workforce planning is essential. However, I understand and accept what you are saying, and I really look forward to a day when this is not a problem.

Minister, I was quite surprised to hear that you had not heard from young people the idea that the Promise has been lost in the Government machine, because I hear that all the time in my role. Is that something that you recognise?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Roz McCall

Hello, everybody, and thank you. It has been a long morning, and we are now into the afternoon. I will start by following up on the points that Mr McLennan made about IJBs.

I totally accept and understand that there is a blending and that the process works in a certain way and will smooth things out. However, many of our IJBs are under massive financial strain, so what is the funding model? As far as I can see, there is absolutely no funding to smooth the process for the areas that are not doing it. Can the minister or officials give an update on what support there will be for the IJBs that are under the financial cosh right now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Roz McCall

I appreciate that. I have been speaking to local authorities, one of which has highlighted that, when it comes to the Promise, the foot has been taken off the gas—I think that that is the phrase that was used—so I would appreciate some strong leadership from the minister to reset that. If we have young people and councils saying that, there is definitely a disconnect. If you could focus on and highlight what is being done, the community would appreciate that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Roz McCall

You cannot give me a number and a timeframe—for example, that we hope to have an extra 300 social workers by a certain time.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Roz McCall

I like to look at things at committee level, but let us move on to the subject of bills. A delegated power in the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill was missed from the Scottish Government’s delegated powers memorandum. Can you reassure us that you are taking steps to ensure that that does not happen again in the future?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Roz McCall

Given what you have just said, can you give us any commitment that you will raise that concern with the relevant individuals, ministers and civil servants to ensure that some thought is given to the time between stages 2 and 3?