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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I will need to get to the bottom of what I understood had been said.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

We have been speaking about how effective parliamentary committees are in scrutinising SPCB supported bodies, but those bodies do some really useful and valuable work, and we are not entirely confident that that work is always fed in effectively to the Parliament, then used. We are looking at how to make that system more effective.

Auditor General, I understand from Richard Leonard that you come into the Parliament weekly to give an update on your work and how things are going, but other supported bodies come to the Parliament only annually, and, when they do, they discuss their annual review rather than any specific and potentially crucial work that they are doing.

How did it come to be that you report weekly whereas the other bodies do so annually? Is that because of legislation, or is it just based on a code of practice? Is your approach an effective way of feeding in? Should other bodies be doing something similar? Should that approach be mandated? I am interested in your thoughts on that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Colin Smyth alluded to the idea of having a minister for X—that is, a minister to cover whatever advocacy we might be looking for. However, everyone is of the view that such things should be independent of Government. Is there any value at all in having, say, a minister for disabled people or a minister for older people to provide that complementary function and bring that advocacy into Government?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Therefore, you do not recognise the process as a layering of external audits. Do you think that the issue is about the relationship between internal and external audits?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

That is fine. I wonder whether Colin Smyth wants to come in briefly on that point before I go to my next question.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I want to clarify something. I understood from one of the committee’s evidence sessions that one of the offices gets audited twice a year, but you are saying that that is not accurate and that it is audited only once a year.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Lorna Slater

There is no specific overlap with the SPSO, although, presumably, they could do similar things for a group of people of any age.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Lorna Slater

We have just heard from the chair of the SHRC, who described their role—or, rather, I described it to them, and I think that they signed up to what I was saying—as being almost a mirror image of what the SPSO does. The SHRC looks at systemic, almost preventative-level advice, whereby it investigates and researches a system or a group and it creates a report and gives advice on that, whereas the ombudsman reacts to individual cases of complaints that come in.

As well as reactive work, do you do that kind of preventative research and advice for broad groups? That could be for children in care—I do not know what groups you have been looking at. Do you take on specific cases or the investigation of any particular breaches?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Lorna Slater

Independent of whom? I do not think that there is any disagreement that you need to be independent of Government and of Parliament, but who else do you need to be independent from?